Brexit: Petition for second EU referendum rejected

[skitzin]

Ignoring personal feelings on the outcome, I feel that this rejection is appropriate.

Just because some people disagree with the outcome doesn't mean you get to keep rolling the dice until you get the outcome you want. Otherwise, where do you draw the line? Suffice to say people had their chance to make a descision and they have made it. Respect the democratic process and work towards maximising the outcome(s) that will come.

[Obelisk Kai]

Exactly. I think we call it Democracy.

Although when the Chinese Communists uses a vote as an example as to why democracy is a bad thing you do have wonder about the choice made.

[Deleted]

we wasnt eve nthe first country to leave the EU cos that was greenland and we wont be the last you really think the people and goverments of certain countries are gonna take the eu's BS, merkel is basically creating the fourth reich trying to take over europe.there already building an EU military,and then we have davidcameron saying turkey will jhoin in the year 3000 and a week later said 30 years and tehre fast tracking turkeys asencion into the EU with tax payers money, turkey already have visa's

[RishiB]

This may shock you, but the other European Union states don't despise the EU as much as you do. I know Farage promised that as soon as Britain broke free there would be a stampede of countries looking to get out of the nasty tyrannical EU but that doesn't seem to be happening.

In fact the European Union nations now seem to be concerning themselves with one thing, preserving the European Union. And, believe it or not, they WILL be willing to suffer some economic damage in the name of preserving that Union. Sanctioning Russia caused them damage, but they did it after all for the greater good.

To do that, they have to make it clear that leaving the European Union will not result in a deal for the departing nation that is better than the deal they had as part of the Union.

For the English, the deal they want is single market access without freedom of movement. Which is basically having your cake and eating it, because for the EU the whole point of the single market is to facilitate freedom of movement, goods, labour and services. You cannot have one without the other. I know Boris promised you that you could but, I am sorry to inform you, Boris is a narcissist who didn't expect or want to win and wanted to use the referendum to become the darling of the Tory right so he could succeed David Cameron next year. For him this was a pyrrhic victory. He promised you that because he never expected his side would win.

So what is it going to be?

Do you try and preserve as much of your economy as possible by accepting the Norway deal, in which case leaving the EU will be the most pointless and self-defeating act you ever could have done because you'll still be subject to EU laws yet have no voice...OR do you insist on restrictions on Freedom of Movement to which the EU will restrict access to the single market, thus dealing immense economic damage to the UK?

Decisions, decisions.

Or do you lower corporate tax and strengthen London's financial position and set up apprentaceship schemes so that in 10 years time, local businesses will be thriving too, and some of them will grow to be large multinational exporters.

The above, of course, aimed at global markets, and not just the single market of the EU.

You see, where some pessimists see despair, there are leading figures who see opportunity.

Did you learn something about yourself in the above sentence?

Ps - The EU will not be able afford to miss out on British exports. Does it comply to British demands, or does it see its strongest trade partner do business elsewhere? Theoretical debates are oh so easy to win, arent they.

[Mehrunes]

Let's not pretend that if remain had won by a close margin that leave wouldn't be pushing for a 2nd referendum

It would be very hard to pretend since this very petition was created before the referendum even happened, by a leave voter. Preemptive salt is the best salt.

[Kallisto]

Good. If Remain had won, any petitions for a revote would have found themselves put to the same use as toilet paper.

The fact is that the petition was created by an EDL leaver who wanted it pushed if Remain won. When it became known it was a leaver that created it he essentially told the Remain to shut up and accept it. Not realising how much of a hypocrite he is. Also in a Democratic state you don't shut up, you keep pushing.

[Medusa Cascade]

UK accounts for 4% of global exports and that is steadily decreasing as emerging economies become increasingly integrated into the global market

[Obelisk Kai]

Or do you lower corporate tax and strengthen London's financial position and set up apprentaceship schemes so that in 10 years time, local businesses will be thriving too, and some of them will grow to be large multinational exporters.

The above, of course, aimed at global markets, and not just the single market of the EU.

You see, where some pessimists see despair, there are leading figures who see opportunity.

Did you learn something about yourself in the above sentence?

Oh, you mean Osbourne's floundering around for a solution?

I'd like to quote someone who made this post elsewhere regarding this, the below text is not mine but it is illuminating. It even contains facts and numbers to back it up.

"The reality is that the UK is in no position to engage in a competitive tax war with Ireland (or any other country). The UK's budget deficit is stuck at £74 billion (4% of GDP) and showing no sign of falling. Most economists predict it will rise sharply in the next couple of years as a result of the Brexit-induced slowdown and a new populist-right government abandoning deficit reduction. As if this wasn't deficit enough, the UK's balance-of-payments deficit is an astronomical 7% of GDP, which is putting it in Greek territory...

...Far from reducing taxes, if orthodox economic rules were applied, the UK would need to increase taxes in the next few years to reduce its twin deficits. And, indeed, George Osborne was saying exactly this pre-Brexit. If the UK now goes against these rules and cuts taxes despite its huge and worsening deficits, it will be seen as a desperate measure to counter the bad economic effects of Brexit and its most likely outcome is horrendous budget and balance-of-payments deficits in coming years"

That is reality.

That is not listening to some of Osborune's back of a fag packet ideas and thinking 'see, it's all going to be fine'.

In reality Osbourne has already admitted the deficit won't be cleared by 2020 due to Brexit. More austerity is on the way.

Anyone who thinks there is an upside to this situation is frankly deluding themselves.

And yes, some leading figures have seen opportunity.

Theresa May is about to become Conservative party leader.

Angela Eagle seeks to topple Corbyn.

Rupert Murdoch knows whoever is in Downing Street will do his bidding.

So that's three people already looking to move up in the world as a result of Brexit.

[Deleted]

The fact is that the petition was created by an EDL leaver who wanted it pushed if Remain won. When it became known it was a leaver that created it he essentially told the Remain to shut up and accept it. Not realising how much of a hypocrite he is. Also in a Democratic state you don't shut up, you keep pushing.

mp's said its a once in a lifetime so no 2nd referendum, we are leaving the EU

[Medusa Cascade]

mp's said its a once in a lifetime so no 2nd referendum, we are leaving the EU

Nigel disagreed

[Kallisto]

mp's said its a once in a lifetime so no 2nd referendum, we are leaving the EU

Right, all because a few people couldn't get off their fat asses to compete with poles in careers they went for. Now the majority of people have to suffer because of them. Here's a little hint. When a guy down the pub cries about something yet the experts say to do the other thing. If you have a brain LISTEN TO THE DAMN EXPERT. HE BY EDUCATION KNOWS MORE THAN YOU.

[ranzino]

mp's said its a once in a lifetime so no 2nd referendum, we are leaving the EU

Oh, i want to see the straight face of the PM invoking article 50 before. Until then...

[Cosmic Janitor]

Nigel disagreed

Leaving is pretty much the best option now anyway. I mean if you want to pay back the leave side without actually lynching scum like Faranage in the streets, you have to actually leave so that he loses his over-payed position within the EU. After all it was pretty clear after the vote that he never wanted to win in the first place .

[RishiB]

Oh, you mean Osbourne's floundering around for a solution?

I'd like to quote someone who made this post elsewhere regarding this, the below text is not mine but it is illuminating. It even contains facts and numbers to back it up.

"The reality is that the UK is in no position to engage in a competitive tax war with Ireland (or any other country). The UK's budget deficit is stuck at £74 billion (4% of GDP) and showing no sign of falling. Most economists predict it will rise sharply in the next couple of years as a result of the Brexit-induced slowdown and a new populist-right government abandoning deficit reduction. As if this wasn't deficit enough, the UK's balance-of-payments deficit is an astronomical 7% of GDP, which is putting it in Greek territory...

...Far from reducing taxes, if orthodox economic rules were applied, the UK would need to increase taxes in the next few years to reduce its twin deficits. And, indeed, George Osborne was saying exactly this pre-Brexit. If the UK now goes against these rules and cuts taxes despite its huge and worsening deficits, it will be seen as a desperate measure to counter the bad economic effects of Brexit and its most likely outcome is horrendous budget and balance-of-payments deficits in coming years"

That is reality.

That is not listening to some of Osborune's back of a fag packet ideas and thinking 'see, it's all going to be fine'.

In reality Osbourne has already admitted the deficit won't be cleared by 2020 due to Brexit. More austerity is on the way.

Anyone who thinks there is an upside to this situation is frankly deluding themselves.

And yes, some leading figures have seen opportunity.

Theresa May is about to become Conservative party leader.

Angela Eagle seeks to topple Corbyn.

Rupert Murdoch knows whoever is in Downing Street will do his bidding.

So that's three people already looking to move up in the world as a result of Brexit.

The UK is indeed in no current position to exert meaningful influence.

There is a reason for this.

Political prowess has been watered down and centralised to EU powers.

Hence, the need to take it back.

Britain used to have 100's of trade negotiators, it now has 12.

Hence, the need to build up and create more.

Of course austerity is on the way. This, is a good thing.

Costs will be cut, and measures taken to bring in more revenue.

This means supporting local businesses, training natives, and encouraging manufacturing.

Us Brits are strong and resilient. The weak will not survive. The strong will create thriving small businesses and parliament will reform.

Our sovereignty will grow and when austerity has passed us by, we will emerge a force to be reckoned with.

Hopefully, your spewing pessimism will have died in the processes.

Its ok to be scared. But dont let it consume you, because you'll perish too.

Have faith in British intelligence, we are amongst the smartest people on the planet.

You should be relishing the fact that you are witnessing the nations greatest turnaround.

[Mormolyce]

There's actually no real reason for parliament to activate article 50, referenda aren't binding. They're just recommendations and personally if 52% of voters voted for something and 48% were against I would consider that advice to amount to "we have no fucking idea".

But apparently everyone's afraid of the perceived political backlash of ignoring the outcome of the referendum.

Still think something as far reaching as brexit should require a super majority but ah well

Or like, not be put to a popular vote at all.

[Deleted]

Political prowess has been watered down and centralised to EU powers.

Hence, the need to take it back.

You had so much political power you managed to bully your whole country into leaving. How much more power do you want?

[Mormolyce]

we wasnt eve nthe first country to leave the EU cos that was greenland

I'm sure the three people living in Greenland will be greatly missed.

[Obelisk Kai]

The UK is indeed in no current position to exert meaningful influence.

There is a reason for this.

Political prowess has been watered down and centralised to EU powers.

Hence, the need to take it back.

Britain used to have 100's of trade negotiators, it now has 12.

Hence, the need to build up and create more.

Of course austerity is on the way. This, is a good thing.

Costs will be cut, and measures taken to bring in more revenue.

This means supporting local businesses, training natives, and encouraging manufacturing.

Us Brits are strong and resilient. The weak will not survive. The strong will create thriving small businesses and parliament will reform.

Our sovereignty will grow and when austerity has passed us by, we will emerge a force to be reckoned with.

Hopefully, your spewing pessimism will have died in the processes.

Its ok to be scared. But dont let it consume you, because you'll perish too.

Have faith in British intelligence, we are amongst the smartest people on the planet.

You should be relishing the fact that you are witnessing the nations greatest turnaround.

Actually i am more disturbed that when confronted with hard economic figures you retreated into meaningless platitudes.

We are fucking doomed.

[RishiB]

There's actually no real reason for parliament to activate article 50, referenda aren't binding. They're just recommendations and personally if 52% of voters voted for something and 48% were against I would consider that advice to amount to "we have no fucking idea".

But apparently everyone's afraid of the perceived political backlash of ignoring the outcome of the referendum.



Or like, not be put to a popular vote at all.

The Government exists to serve all people.

The low paid private sector workers feel like the EU isnt working for them.

If you want to take their voice away because you believe it is the right thing to do, pack your bags and leave.

The country doesn't need you.

Im certain North Korea would welcome you with open arms.

[Deleted]

Actually i am more disturbed that when confronted with hard economic figures you retreated into meaningless platitudes.

We are fucking doomed.

But faith in British intelligence. They are among the smartest people on the planet. Don't know where they were when the voting happened, but apperently they exist somewhere?