Doctor speaks out on treating the officers shot in the Dallas attack.

[Themius]

Lol...

"Police arrested someone who broke the law for choosing to be an antagonistic asshole during the confrontation instead of choosing to cooperate and then going about their business! Obviously police are out to get everyone!"

She didn't have to talk, she had the right to remain silent. They went on to tell her she had the right to remain silent yet arrested her for it. When she was at the station their boss apologized and said that the troopers were mistaken.

How is it antagonizing to simply refuse to speak? You have a right to be silent.

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This lawyer didn't know of Miranda rights?

No, it's more like the officers didn't know she had the right to remain silent and arrested her for exercising her right to remain silent. Once at the station they apologized and their boss said they were mistaken. The officers didn't know the law.

[Baelic]

That's the kind of stuff Ben Carson gets called an uncle tom or a coon for by white liberals and BLM types.

Like I said, inconvenient truths.

[Coombs]

She didn't have to talk, she had the right to remain silent. They went on to tell her she had the right to remain silent yet arrested her for it. When she was at the station their boss apologized and said that the troopers were mistaken.

How is it antagonizing to simply refuse to speak? You have a right to be silent.

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No, it's more like the officers didn't know she had the right to remain silent and arrested her for exercising her right to remain silent. Once at the station they apologized and their boss said they were mistaken. The officers didn't know the law.

I mean, yes that's technically right, but it's obvious that she was being antagonistic by just looking at someone and refusing to speak to them. She shouldn't have been arrested, but the second she refused to provide him with anything involving the ticket put her in cuffs.

[Dextroden]

The first time blacks rose up in opposition to police brutality as far as I know was right after WWI. A bunch of black veterans returned from the war, there was a couple of incidents just like now and a riot broke out. There were black snipers on roofs shooting cops.

Then about every generation, say 25 years after that violence over police brutality would flare up again. The anger always dies down after a while and goes away.

But at some point we should try to fix things so that 25 years from now, the next generation doesn't have to deal with it.

A push or segregation by black activists says the wheel will never stop spinning.

[Orange Joe]

And that in the vast majority of those that end in violence, said violence was caused by the people the police were called on to deal with's own actions. I say vast majority, but really its like 99%. If a cop says, keep your hands away from your pockets and you jam your hand down in your pocket and they shoot you... It is not because police hate your race and are out to get you... Its because you're a fucking idiot.

Someone posted a stat recently and it was something like over 40 million people interacted with police in 2015. Even if 4,000 people got killed by police every year it would still be less than 0.1% of the people who interacted with the police. You'd be more likely to die from a bee sting than to die from a police officer.

Just wondering how either of you feel about gun control.

[A dot Ham]

Law enforcement is indeed a problem; however, it's not one that is targeted specifically against blacks (though blacks are treated unfairly). It's a problem that's generally against anyone who isn't blue.

Law enforcers often escalate issues instead of deescalate them, and are undertrained. I mean in New Jersey a trooper literally arrested a woman for speeding because she refused to talk, and then told her you have the right to remain silent after he arrested her for it!!! The higher ups said it was all a mistake but she's suing, oh by the way she was a lawyer.

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf..._silent_d.html

You can thank President Bush for that one. One of the longer lasting effects of the Patriot Act is that they can hold you.

One of their paradoxical entrapments has been arresting you for resisting arrest. Whether or not you are actually resisting arrest. Because anyone threatened with arrest will automatically question or object to an arrest with no reason... that objection is seen as "resisting arrest". Literally the ONLY thing you can do is remain silent which is what this woman did. I didn't watch the video, you still have to comply with questions like can I see your license and registration. But one of the more damning tactics that officers use is the open ended question, "Do you know why I pulled you over?" They are hoping you will admit to (a) either the reason they pulled you over (b) admit to some other wrong doing. Admission on tape means the officer really doesn't have to do or prove anything. "I think I ran that stop sign back there..." Actually you just had a tail light out and the officer was going to give you a warning, but now he gets to meet his quota (which do exist) and give you a ticket for running a stop sign.

RESPONDING TO THE ISSUE AT HAND:

The REAL problem is the brotherhood. This bullshit family protects family mentality that all cops have. They always seek to minimize a situation. When on occasion, you really need to hang your fellow officer out to dry.

In the case of Castile... that fucker needs the death penalty. The man is put in a loose-loose situation. If he tells the officer point blank I have a gun... he gets shot. If he doesn't tell the officer he has the gun and the car is searched he goes to jail.

As many people have said... better training is the answer. I have seen videos where a man (black or white) informs officers of their possession of a firearm, and I have seen it go down 2 ways (both accomplish the same thing).

(1) Ask the driver to place his hands on the wheel. Cuff him to the steering wheel. Proceed to disarm. Uncuff... and continue the traffic stop as normal. Returning said firearm to the driver at the end of the engagement.

(2) And probably the best option at this point. Is back away from the vehicle, return to your patrol car, radio for back-up. Extra pair of eyes, should SOMETHING go awry.

I'll let my man Trevor go into it. While he adds a bit of comedy at times (appropriately) the message is very serious and very spot on.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...plaints-rialto
This is a link from a "local" PD in the area who has taken to using body cameras. I think Rialto's is safety eyewear with the camera on the ear piece. The article shows that accountability reduces the occurrence of police violence as well as cuts down on complaints (probably because Police are on their best behavior *as they should be*)

[Damajin]

I disagree with the notion that race isn't being discussed openly, it's discussed all the fucking time. It's saturated everywhere, and some people literally make their living going around and talking, discussing and organizing events and activities based around these supposedly nonexistent open discussions. It's all over the media and has been for years, so really I think it's horribly naïve to say that it's not being discussed. Solutions are sorely lacking, but the topic itself is a perennial one that is in our faces far too much.

The melting pot is a failure, hopefully people start realizing that and take it into consideration when they think of solutions and these problems in general.

[I Push Buttons]

Just wondering how either of you feel about gun control.

In favor of it.

[Orange Joe]

In favor of it.

But it's so few that get killed/injured by guns. What is the difference?

[boyzma]

Someone posted a stat recently and it was something like over 40 million people interacted with police in 2015. Even if 4,000 people got killed by police every year it would still be less than 0.1% of the people who interacted with the police. You'd be more likely to die from a bee sting than to die from a police officer.

You are so right. I am highly allergic to bees and can be killed by one. I'm terrified of bees, and i have no problem with police. Do what they say, watch your smart ass mouth, don't do anything stupid and you all drive/walk away. Pretty simple to understand.

[I Push Buttons]

But it's so few that get killed/injured by guns. What is the difference?

Tens of thousands of people dying to guns every year is hardly equivalent to one hundred black people dying to police a year.

[Orange Joe]

Tens of thousands of people dying to guns every year is hardly equivalent to one hundred black people dying to police a year.

Actually the number is below 10,000 in the US. With most of those being suicide.

[Themius]

You are so right. I am highly allergic to bees and can be killed by one. I'm terrified of bees, and i have no problem with police. Do what they say, watch your smart ass mouth, don't do anything stupid and you all drive/walk away. Pretty simple to understand.

At no point should a "smart ass mount" equal mistreatment. Officers have a job to do, not an ego to stroke.

[Orange Joe]

At no point should a "smart ass mouth" equal mistreatment. Officers have a job to do, not an ego to stroke.

Posting from a phone by chance?

[timberx]

I mean, yes that's technically right, but it's obvious that she was being antagonistic by just looking at someone and refusing to speak to them. She shouldn't have been arrested, but the second she refused to provide him with anything involving the ticket put her in cuffs.

The only things she needs to provide are her license, insurance, and registration.

[ejpaints]

Everyone forgets that for every encounter with a law enforcement officer that ends badly There are 10s of 1000s that end with no one being hurt

People also negate to acknowledge that in nearly every video, the officer is yelling "DON'T MOVE!", yet the person keeps moving. Now I dunno about you, but if someone is pointing a gun at me and yells "DON'T MOVE", well you can bet I ain't gonna move!

[I Push Buttons]

Actually the number is below 10,000 in the US. With most of those being suicide.

1.3% of all deaths in the US are with a gun.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Including (2013 numbers):
- 11,208 homicides (70% of all homicides (16,121) were with a gun).
- 21,175 suicides (51% of all suicides (41,149) were with a gun).

[Spiffums]

No one ever says its the criminals fault for getting in the situation to start with. Someone else always seems to be to blame.

[Mifuyne]

What does he have to be scared of? He's a well spoken, educated man who, doubtfully, owns a gun or has a laundry list of committed crimes under his name. Here is a thought. Don't commit a crime, and if you do, don't resist the police! Super crazy, I know.

Basically this.
Don't act like thugs.

[boyzma]

At no point should a "smart ass mount" equal mistreatment. Officers have a job to do, not an ego to stroke.

Guess you've never heard the saying about it being easier to attract bees with honey than with vinegar. Point is, be a decent human being and you have nothing to worry about.