I am in keeping with your definition. The point was to show you how rediculous your definition of loving the US is. You should laugh... realize though, you are laughing at your self...
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There is also a strange dichotomy between morality of anti-PC versus religiosity. It implies that all pretext, like anti-authoritarian, censorship and similar of the GOP anti-PC side are empty. Because the issue isn't over an entity declaring morality, but whose morality is being declared.
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Thinking that an opposing extreme has to be a joke, is shallow. Add anonymity and it just becomes silly...
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
Not in this case. "Naturally" is pretty clear when it comes to procreation. It means "unaided." A gay person who will not have intercourse with someone of the opposite sex will not procreate naturally. It's axiomatic. Attempts at declaring the term and concept unclear or arbitrary or subjective are exercises in sophistry.
You think Christianity isn't narcissistic? I mean, if you go by Jesus's example, it isn't. But if Christians went by Jesus's example, they'd be liberal. Conservative Christians are the epitome of narcissists.
Many of the reasons they claim non-Christians are immoral are based on their own bigotry and disdain for anyone who isn't like them. Common things they claim are immoral: the growing acceptance of homosexuality and alternative lifestyles (transsexualism, alternate genders, etc) being supported and considered normal; alternative religions being given equal or greater value to Christianity (atheism, agnosticism, Islam, etc); alternate genders and races being given equal rights; science being given more weight publicly and politically than Christianity; Christianity not being this nation's primary religion; support for abortion; and basic Christian bigotry being considered immoral by non-Christians.
In most cases, Christian morality (as it differs from secular morality -- there are plenty of instances where Christian morality overlaps with secular morality, such as stealing and murder being wrong, which this nation becoming more Christian would not change) is based in hatred and taboo traditions. Abortion is one of the few cases where they can make an objective moral argument. There are other moral tenants of modern conservationism that aren't strictly based in Christian fundamentalism (anti-government, pro-gun rights, trade protectionism, anti-taxes, pro-military, anti-welfare, etc). Ironically, one of those issues (anti-welfare) happens to be an anti-Christian issue. They just refuse to admit it.
If you have to be a Christian to see the merit of Christian morality, then perhaps it's not actually morality?
Sweden is doing ok. While not fully atheist there's no place for religion.
"Only 1 in 10 Swedes thinks religion is important in daily life.
About 5 out of 10 (45.5%) children are christened in the Church of Sweden.
Just over 3 out of 10 (33.3%) weddings take place in church.
Almost 8 out of 10 (76.4%) Swedes have Christian burials."
According to The Global Index of Religiosity and Atheism (2012), only 29 per cent of Swedes claim to be religious, compared with 59 per cent globally. These figures rank Sweden as one of the least religious countries in the world.
Source: https://sweden.se/society/10-fundame...ion-in-sweden/
1972 95% of Swedes were members of the church, today it's 66%. Many are opting out because they're never in church and/or are not religious, you also pay taxes to the church if you're a member (between 0.5% to 3%).
So while not an atheist nation, it's been many years since religion mattered in Sweden. And despite what people will tell you, crime rates in Sweden are very low.
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Right, but that's not the scenario we are discussing. Someone was challenged when pointing out that a gay person who will not have intercourse with someone of the opposite sex will not procreate naturally. The response to this was (predictably) to challenge the definition of "naturally." Everybody knows what it means and I was calling those persons out for being deliberately obtuse.
Not really. Far-right in Europe are nazi/racists. The republicans in America are a lot of things but they're not blatant fascists/racists. Bordering to it, but i've not seem anything that can be compared to the far-right in Europe. Where parties talk about favored genes and about a lesser people.
I'm Swedish. My far-right=your far-right. That's just rightwing politics, not far-right. Seriously, bot the far-left and right are so extreme you can't compare them to men in suits.
This is the European far-right summed up in a picture: http://multimedia.pol.dk/archive/007...HT_782560a.jpg
In northern Europe it's usual to have some symbol from the Viking era which the fella screaming has. And the jackets and red nazi banners.
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Um, no I don't "know that" because I am not a brainwashed liberal who thinks criminals care about gun laws. I think the country needs less gun laws. Armed society is a polite society. It's common sense.
Unless truly insane, a normal person would be far less likely to pull a gun if they had feelings many people around would shoot back.
Gun free zones are target ranges for shooters.
But yeah, let's push more gun laws, so when a shooting happens inevitably, you can blame guns again and push for MORE laws, slowly stripping away people being able to defend themselves and create more dependence on the government.
Get out of here with that "know that" garbage. I sharply disagree with you, and don't think the same way.
No problem with me, but we'll continue to enjoy or very low gun crime rates and only 2 mass shootings since 1945, all thanks to our gun control(which simply means you need a license), here.
Just don't go the same way you did with your democracy/freedumbs and force it on other countries? deal?
He certainly didn't help with racial tensions. The son if I ever had one and what not.
But I do find it interesting that under Obama's 8 years we have had an utterly ridiculous amounts of shootings.
And the country isn't on the verge of apocalypse, but it does continue to rot.
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Don't take this the wrong way, but outside the US, my caring for your country is pretty limited.