GOP Maintains Anti-Gay Party Platform In 2016

[Hella clutch]

BuckSparkles is running a bait shop and everyone is buying lol

sure he's not the typical alt right asshat? Sure seems to be.

[Felya]

Haha, that is the best thing I have heard all day. Thank you for the laugh.

I am in keeping with your definition. The point was to show you how rediculous your definition of loving the US is. You should laugh... realize though, you are laughing at your self...

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For what its worth I don't think its particularly relevant what religion or lack there of society is. Everything that's troublesome about dogmatic religion is perfectly possible without religion too. No one is immune from shitty views.

But its observably nonsense to claim that declining religiosity has made us less "moral" in any meaningful measurable way. There's even compelling evidence that teenagers are having less sex these days.

There is also a strange dichotomy between morality of anti-PC versus religiosity. It implies that all pretext, like anti-authoritarian, censorship and similar of the GOP anti-PC side are empty. Because the issue isn't over an entity declaring morality, but whose morality is being declared.

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BuckSparkles is running a bait shop and everyone is buying lol

Thinking that an opposing extreme has to be a joke, is shallow. Add anonymity and it just becomes silly...

[mvaliz]

Funny considering how mass shootings have happened like every other week under Obama and racial divides have been larger than ever

That's because of lax gun laws, and you damn well know that. jeesus christ stop making shit up trying to say Obama is causing racial tensions...

[Hammerfest]

It is also arbitrary and subjective.

Not in this case. "Naturally" is pretty clear when it comes to procreation. It means "unaided." A gay person who will not have intercourse with someone of the opposite sex will not procreate naturally. It's axiomatic. Attempts at declaring the term and concept unclear or arbitrary or subjective are exercises in sophistry.

[Machismo]

Right, the party that thinks the constitution is outdated and trash, and the party that wants to silence free speech and eliminate the 2nd really is showing me how much they love the US.

The GOP seems to hate the Constitution every bit as much as many liberals... they just have a disdain for different parts. Liberals seem to push back against the 1st, 2nd, and 10th Amendments. Republicans don't seem to like the 1st, 4th, 5th, and 14th Amendments.

[Dendrek]

Can you show that having an atheist society does any good?

A society so narcissistic is bound to wither and rot eventually.

But I am done for the evening. Better things to do.

You think Christianity isn't narcissistic? I mean, if you go by Jesus's example, it isn't. But if Christians went by Jesus's example, they'd be liberal. Conservative Christians are the epitome of narcissists.

Many of the reasons they claim non-Christians are immoral are based on their own bigotry and disdain for anyone who isn't like them. Common things they claim are immoral: the growing acceptance of homosexuality and alternative lifestyles (transsexualism, alternate genders, etc) being supported and considered normal; alternative religions being given equal or greater value to Christianity (atheism, agnosticism, Islam, etc); alternate genders and races being given equal rights; science being given more weight publicly and politically than Christianity; Christianity not being this nation's primary religion; support for abortion; and basic Christian bigotry being considered immoral by non-Christians.

In most cases, Christian morality (as it differs from secular morality -- there are plenty of instances where Christian morality overlaps with secular morality, such as stealing and murder being wrong, which this nation becoming more Christian would not change) is based in hatred and taboo traditions. Abortion is one of the few cases where they can make an objective moral argument. There are other moral tenants of modern conservationism that aren't strictly based in Christian fundamentalism (anti-government, pro-gun rights, trade protectionism, anti-taxes, pro-military, anti-welfare, etc). Ironically, one of those issues (anti-welfare) happens to be an anti-Christian issue. They just refuse to admit it.

If you have to be a Christian to see the merit of Christian morality, then perhaps it's not actually morality?

[Krille]

Can you show that having an atheist society does any good?

A society so narcissistic is bound to wither and rot eventually.

But I am done for the evening. Better things to do.

Sweden is doing ok. While not fully atheist there's no place for religion.

"Only 1 in 10 Swedes thinks religion is important in daily life.
About 5 out of 10 (45.5%) children are christened in the Church of Sweden.
Just over 3 out of 10 (33.3%) weddings take place in church.
Almost 8 out of 10 (76.4%) Swedes have Christian burials."

According to The Global Index of Religiosity and Atheism (2012), only 29 per cent of Swedes claim to be religious, compared with 59 per cent globally. These figures rank Sweden as one of the least religious countries in the world.

Source: https://sweden.se/society/10-fundame...ion-in-sweden/

1972 95% of Swedes were members of the church, today it's 66%. Many are opting out because they're never in church and/or are not religious, you also pay taxes to the church if you're a member (between 0.5% to 3%).

So while not an atheist nation, it's been many years since religion mattered in Sweden. And despite what people will tell you, crime rates in Sweden are very low.

[Hammerfest]

Gay people can have sex with straight people to have kids; unaided.

Right, but that's not the scenario we are discussing. Someone was challenged when pointing out that a gay person who will not have intercourse with someone of the opposite sex will not procreate naturally. The response to this was (predictably) to challenge the definition of "naturally." Everybody knows what it means and I was calling those persons out for being deliberately obtuse.

[JohnBrown1917]

sure he's not the typical alt right asshat? Sure seems to be.

Just standard American rigth-wing(far rigth to Europa),

[Krille]

Just standard American rigth-wing(far rigth to Europa),

Not really. Far-right in Europe are nazi/racists. The republicans in America are a lot of things but they're not blatant fascists/racists. Bordering to it, but i've not seem anything that can be compared to the far-right in Europe. Where parties talk about favored genes and about a lesser people.

[JohnBrown1917]

Not really. Far-right in Europe are nazi/racists. The republicans in America are a lot of things but they're not blatant fascists/racists. Bordering to it, but i've not seem anything that can be compared to the far-right in Europe. Where parties talk about favored genes and about a lesser people.

You do have different kind of far rigth.


Here its 'muh immigrition', in the US its 'muh Gays, guns, God, guns and (granny) porn'.

[Krille]

You do have different kind of far rigth.


Here its 'muh immigrition', in the US its 'muh Gays, guns, God, guns and (granny) porn'.

I'm Swedish. My far-right=your far-right. That's just rightwing politics, not far-right. Seriously, bot the far-left and right are so extreme you can't compare them to men in suits.

This is the European far-right summed up in a picture: http://multimedia.pol.dk/archive/007...HT_782560a.jpg

In northern Europe it's usual to have some symbol from the Viking era which the fella screaming has. And the jackets and red nazi banners.

[Kraenen]

Here its 'muh immigrition', in the US its 'muh Gays, guns, God, guns and (granny) porn'.

Well that makes no sense. It isn't "my gays, guns, god"

[Kujako]

Why deny someone adoption because they cannot have a child by themselves? That seems irrational.

Especially when they don't extend the same treatment to infertile heterosexual folk.

[Adam Jensen]

Considering what the state the country is now under Obama, and envisioning it another 4-8 years with more or less the same with a corrupt criminal in office, I will take my chances will Trump.

And a pro-christian capitalist gun nation sounds -exactly- what the US is supposed to be. It's worked great for this long. I mean, it's almost as if the US isn't a superpower and pretty much one of the most important nations in modern times.

What "state" did Obama put the country in?

You Republicans act like we're on the verge of the apocalypse all the damn time.

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Funny considering how mass shootings have happened like every other week under Obama and racial divides have been larger than ever.

But yeah, keep talking about Bush, I know it's all some of you can cling to.

Perhaps you need to look in the mirror to see who is out of touch with reality.

I have faith Americans will agree with me come November. Then we can undo some of the PC madness that has infected our society.

Wow so you're blaming mass shootings on Obama.

I'm done with you.

[BuckSparkles]

That's because of lax gun laws, and you damn well know that. jeesus christ stop making shit up trying to say Obama is causing racial tensions...

Um, no I don't "know that" because I am not a brainwashed liberal who thinks criminals care about gun laws. I think the country needs less gun laws. Armed society is a polite society. It's common sense.

Unless truly insane, a normal person would be far less likely to pull a gun if they had feelings many people around would shoot back.

Gun free zones are target ranges for shooters.

But yeah, let's push more gun laws, so when a shooting happens inevitably, you can blame guns again and push for MORE laws, slowly stripping away people being able to defend themselves and create more dependence on the government.

Get out of here with that "know that" garbage. I sharply disagree with you, and don't think the same way.

[JohnBrown1917]

Um, no I don't "know that" because I am not a brainwashed liberal who thinks criminals care about gun laws. I think the country needs less gun laws. Armed society is a polite society. It's common sense.

No problem with me, but we'll continue to enjoy or very low gun crime rates and only 2 mass shootings since 1945, all thanks to our gun control(which simply means you need a license), here.
Just don't go the same way you did with your democracy/freedumbs and force it on other countries? deal?

[BuckSparkles]

Wow so you're blaming mass shootings on Obama.

I'm done with you.

He certainly didn't help with racial tensions. The son if I ever had one and what not.

But I do find it interesting that under Obama's 8 years we have had an utterly ridiculous amounts of shootings.

And the country isn't on the verge of apocalypse, but it does continue to rot.

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No problem with me, but we'll continue to enjoy or very low gun crime rates and only 2 mass shootings since 1945, all thanks to our gun control(which simply means you need a license), here.
Just don't go the same way you did with your democracy/freedumbs and force it on other countries? deal?

Don't take this the wrong way, but outside the US, my caring for your country is pretty limited.

[JohnBrown1917]

Don't take this the wrong way, but outside the US, my caring for your country is pretty limited.

Your government seems to think differently on that, so can we enjoy our far lower gun crime rates or not? We don't want to be bombed into freedom, Rotterdam still has a trauma from when it got bombed by the nazis.

[BuckSparkles]

Your government seems to think differently on that, so can we enjoy our far lower gun crime rates or not? We don't want to be bombed into freedom, Rotterdam still has a trauma from when it got bombed by the nazis.

Can't compare. The amount of guns in the US is beyond count. Gun laws won't fix our situation.