Retribution is SO BAD AND DULL

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HELLO

After several months of submitting bugs and trying to suggest changes to ret that might make it maybe (one can dream, right?) NOT FUCKING TERRIBLE AND DULL I am starting to lose my faith.

COME ON, SIMPLE SHIT LIKE JUDGMENT NOT CHAINING WHEN IT DEALS A KILLING BLOW IS STILL NOT FIXED.

Preach just posted his video of melee classes in the Legion beta, and he nails it spot on.

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19YI6xWkYxM

RET: WORST OF THE WORST. THE WORST TALENT TREE THAT HAS EVER BEEN IN WoW AND THE MOST UNINTERESTING AND NON-SATISFYING BUTTONS IN THE GAME.

Add to that: THEY'RE USING ASHBRINGER FOR THIS MONSTROSITY, it's a straight up insult to all ret players.

The ret class feedback is by far the one with most posts in it because ret is so horrible, but do they want to maybe change anything? After several months of Alpha AND Beta and very good suggestions and ideas they have actually changed NONE of the problems and fixed NONE of the bugs with the spec.


Ret is currently broken in MULTIPLE WAYS. Not broken as in damage but straight up unfinished, it's like an INITIAL DRAFT of a revamp of ret that needs several hundreds of hours of development time.

PLEASE GO SUGGEST TO THE DEVS TO TAKE A LOOK AT RET. For example on twitter, because in 100+ pages (almost if not more than 3 times as much as any other class feedback) there has been 0 blue post replies in that thread and nothing has been done. LOADS of feedback, no action.


Edit: Alpha AND Beta, not just Beta

[Deleted]

I feel you bro, i realy do.

This comes from someone who main rogue and have paladin as main alt.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

Paladins have been having a rough time for a while now. Ever since WotLK, we have been below every other melee classes.

[Magicpot]

I feel you bro, i realy do.

This comes from someone who main rogue and have paladin as main alt.

Yo, enjoying that 3 button sub rotation?

[Hey There Guys its Metro]

Well you may find it dull but its certainly not bad.

I don't find it dull, but either way they have a very good kit for the pve changes in Legion.

Its been a LOT worse, at least for me. Looking back at Classic and TBC, as well as Cata.

[Jazzhands]

I had no problem with Ret. I leveled and did dungeons, it wasn't the most fun I've ever had, but I played Ret in Cata, nothing can compare to that clunky system. What we have now is miles better than what we've had in the past.

When it comes to forums, all you're going to see is negative feedback, because people only feel the need to complain and bash things. Paladin was like, second? on MMO champs class poll by a fairly large margin, which would probably explain why there's a lot more feedback compared to other classes.

As for bugs on the beta... well, It's been said millions of times but people still need a reminder, it's the beta. It's gonna have bugs.

[Deleted]

Yo, enjoying that 3 button sub rotation?

I will switch to something else, or quit.

Paladins have been having a rough time for a while now. Ever since WotLK, we have been below every other melee classes.

No isnt realy true, ret paladins have good time in MoP and it wasnt bad in WoD. Prot was good in cata, and supreme in MoP.

[Deleted]

When it comes to forums, all you're going to see is negative feedback, because people only feel the need to complain and bash things.

I'm gonna refer you to the absolute first comment in the ret thread on the US forums and say that you are, indeed, completely wrong in this regard just based on that comment alone. If you read a little bit of that thread, there are many golden points that are made, and not as you say, mindless bashing and complaining.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

No isnt realy true, ret paladins have good time in MoP and it wasnt bad in WoD. Prot was good in cata, and supreme in MoP.

Well, true. I liked paladins in MoP. Hated it in WoD. I'm not even going to comment on Cata.

[Triggered Fridgekin]

It seems as though those who were developing the Paladin for Legion couldn't decide on their class fantasy and, as a result, the end product is a spec which doesn't feel whole. It's just parts of ideas strung together.

Ashbringer tax.

[effs]

I wouldn't call it bad. It's far more interesting than it's current form on live.

[Escariot]

ret was always the broken class

and i do mean always, what else is new

[Jazzhands]

I'm gonna refer you to the absolute first comment in the ret thread on the US forums and say that you are, indeed, completely wrong in this regard just based on that comment alone. If you read a little bit of that thread, there are many golden points that are made, and not as you say, mindless bashing and complaining.

No, I'm really not. Maybe ALL wasn't the correct word, I should have said most. People don't get motivated to go to the forums and post positive feedback very often, where as folks like you will gladly try and yell and complain about trivial things while typing in caps lock. Seriously, you're mad they're using Ashbringer, the most iconic paladin weapon there is, for the only paladin spec that it fits into?

It's been this way since.... ever. You yourself even say the paladin forum is full of negative feedback that's getting ignored. Then you just post a bunch of opinionated things that you dislike about the spec, without giving any feedback on why. Why is the talent tree horrible? Why do the buttons feel unsatisfying? Maybe post constructive feedback if you want change.

[Deleted]

I wouldn't call it bad. It's far more interesting than it's current form on live.

Yeah it's so interesting to talent whatever the fight calls for (single target or cleave in all rotation changing rows), with the bare minimum of gameplay changes. Also, I feel like such a paladin when I pop my counter-attack eye-for-an-eye which uses the Riposte animation and feels like Retaliation.

When I say rotation change I mean the substitution of a button, cause that's all it is.

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You yourself even say the paladin forum is full of negative feedback that's getting ignored.

I did not say that at any point. I stated the opposite, that even if you read a few pages you already have a lot of good feedback. I read it all, it is in no way filled with negative yelling and complaining.

Then you just post a bunch of opinionated things that you dislike about the spec, without giving any feedback on why.

1) I linked you to Preach's video and referred you to the first comment in the ret feedback thread as two examples. They are not only my opinions.
2) THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO GIVE FEEDBACK

Maybe post constructive feedback if you want change.

Just as I have been ever since I got the first Alpha invite that came from being in a top guild to kill Archimonde Mythic. I submitted bugs and links to spreadsheets with details that I made myself about the different bugs, all of which remain unfixed.

But by all means go ahead spew more bullshit, it bumps the thread.

[Deleted]

You know, two biggest issues with ret paladins are:
1) unthought changes made for the sake of changes because hurr durr new expansion people need new stuff and we are running out of ideas
2) policy of blizzard with implementing those changes, which is more like throwing shit onto the wall and looking what sticks to the wall and what falls off. But in both cases, it's still shit.

And they are focking adamant with theirs POV. Ohh you say holy wrath's mechanic is crap? Se let's buff it's damage!....mind blown.


For me it seems they have the syndrome of besieged tower. They won't accept the fact that their reason is off and bad and instead, they would sprinkle the crap with sparkle...but in the end it's still crap.
Unless that mentality changes, nothing's going to be better. We would have to bear with their "running-out-of-ideas" changes to point the outrage would be overwhelming. and then they will be "uhhh we wanted well, but!"

Anyway, let's hope that when the prepatch comes, and the majority of players experience those "awesome" changes, the uproar would be ten thousands stronger than what is now, when people would realize that their cool and swift spec is broken to the point of no mobility, high CD on generators and "nothing to press" situations....then maybe maaaybe something will change before legion

[SirBeef]

Well you may find it dull but its certainly not bad.

I don't find it dull, but either way they have a very good kit for the pve changes in Legion.

Its been a LOT worse, at least for me. Looking back at Classic and TBC, as well as Cata.

I find it dull but it performs pretty well. Requires you to think a bit more than just spam your rotation and hit the buttons that light up.

[Tanthoris]

Ret is very set into their talents, you either burst, single target sustained, or you can AoE, any time you might need to swap you'll have to retalent in order to do it, sure a lot of classes are like that, but with ret it's their entire toolkit that gets reworked based on the talents. Some of which feel like complete trash.

The Ashbringer tax is real

Not really sure why prot has to play like a hunk of junk too, but hey, at least we have holy! As per the norm for paladin we get 1 good spec, 1 meh spec and 1 trash spec.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy ret for doing questing and such, but trying to raid or even do 5 mans will be frustrating. I would include pvp in there, but I can't remember the last time someone actually tried to have ret be decent at pvp... WotLK maybe?

[Thage]

Unpopular opinion, but I actually had fun with Ret on the PTR. Sure, it's a little on the clunky side, but it's miles ahead of pre-WotLK, and well above Cata. I like that it's kinda been half-reimagined as a support-DPS role, though I feel like they should have either gone all in on that or at least had a more clear and concise goal for that in the base spec design, rather than leaving it to us whether to keep it as-is or push into more of a support role.

But to be fair, outside WotLK and MoP, Ret's always been pretty janky. I can't help but feel it's leftover resentment from Afrasiabi's raiding days when he'd nerdrage every couple months about paladin tanks in Everquest.

[Aerknard]

There is no hope for Ret in Legion. 1st of all Ret will change to RAT Think about it, Tirion = Dead, Uther = Dead, Mahad = Dead. They kill our big shot and leave the wifey which is Lady Liadrin, Yrel live so they can wiggle their hips (or @$$) with us in the name of "W" key. Maybe next expansion they will make paladin female only so some fans can make a fan art about orc and holy knight (you know what i mean) because the holy knight can't even escape from orc warrior cuz mobility. Now that I think about it Blizzard element is Ice which favored by DK and Mage (as for others I don't know) and DK is Paladin arch nemesis. They make DK have gapcloser and huge damage only nerf it recently a tiny weeny little bit. As for RAT i mean ret, they only play the number between crusade, boj, bow, templar verdict. 100 Page of feedback with no response = blizzard is shitty company. I hope other Stockholder realize this and complain, only for blizzard to take countermeasure by remove RAT class forever and ever.

Fuu... Rage aside

The Ashbringer tax is real

Agreed dude.

[Schattenlied]

I would like to see rets viable for RBG comps again. I have good ret palas in guild that we force to play holy because ret doesn't add up in RBG circumstance. I hope its better in legion.

It won't be better, it will be worse...

No more Blessing of Sacrifice, no more double Blessing of Freedom, no more Emancipate (which forces Ret to be selfish with the one Blessing of Freedom it does have), worse offheals(no more Selfless Healer), bad at target switching (reliance on judgement window for damage), and last but most certainly not least: absolute shit mobility.

Ret already got laughed out of all RBGs and most arena comps in WoD, in Legion, it's going to be full blown PvP non-viability simply because of the lack of mobility, every other melee will always be a better choice than Ret, because they can actually get to their target.