[7.2] Legion Holy Priest Discussion

[Kinny]

Added casting animations to T'uure.

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was T'uure DPSing before patch though? I manage to do almost for 200k DPSnow, and I'm not sure if it's only because of Holy Fire buff.

[Anastacy]

was T'uure DPSing before patch though? I manage to do almost for 200k DPSnow, and I'm not sure if it's only because of Holy Fire buff.

Yes.

200k in what kind of window? Since a certain item level, I've always been able to burst 200k+ with all sorts of combinations of lucky procs (HF DoT stacks), Heroism, and using Apotheosis for DPS.

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Just noticed on some dungeon bosses. If I am able to DPS for most of the fight I manage to reach around 150-200k DPS. It wasn't possible before the patch, hence my question.

I'm using 850+ 40%crit / 10% haste gear for solo content / easy farmable dungeons.

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I got sephuz secret today but the stats look bad for holy , shall i go disc or shadow for the sake of it?

I got this today as Holy and am using it, but I'm not happy about it. It's basically impossible to proc in a raid and the proc effect isn't really that great outside of intense healing phases like parts of the Ursoc fight. Not that it will proc though.

I really hope this is one of the legendaries that Blizz is looking at changing, as it's utterly garbage.

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Feathers have been "buffed" with the new macro command [ATplayer] & [ATcursor]
replace AT with the email symbol, wont let me post it..

/cast [ATplayer] Angelic Feather

enjoy one button burst of speed!

[Danner]

Feathers have been "buffed" with the new macro command [ATplayer] & [ATcursor]
replace AT with the email symbol, wont let me post it..

/cast [ATplayer] Angelic Feather

enjoy one button burst of speed!

Wow! I need to try this.
I've been sticking to the officially sucktastic body&soul replacement spell simply due to this not being possible.

Edit: It works! Best patch ever!

[Maester]

Is it worth taking Benediction over Apotheosis now? I feel like it's not...but a lot of Priests seem to be doing it.

[spiritsurge]

Is it worth taking Benediction over Apotheosis now? I feel like it's not...but a lot of Priests seem to be doing it.

It really just depends on the fight, if you're doing Dragons of Nightmare for instance there aren't really any predictable windows of high burst damage to even pop Apotheosis on. So the passive free healing from Benediction is more useful.

[PosPosPos]

It really just depends on the fight, if you're doing Dragons of Nightmare for instance there aren't really any predictable windows of high burst damage to even pop Apotheosis on. So the passive free healing from Benediction is more useful.

That just means you don't understand the encounter at all. The raid takes the most damage a few moments after a tank swap, where the combined debuff stack goes to its highest - popping Apotheosis right after a swap would maximize the cd.

[Vampiregenesis]

whats the stat weights for holy?

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One more question , i got an 870 horn of cenarius , it looks like a bis trinket but i dont really have a spare key for it , should i just add the trinket to every spell and use it automatically or that would drop a lot its value? anyone here who has it can give me an insight about how to use it? im thinking to bind it with light of tuure or something.

[valant]

Yeah would like to know Pawn stat ratings too

[Xio]

Is it worth taking Benediction over Apotheosis now? I feel like it's not...but a lot of Priests seem to be doing it.

I also have been seem the same... I would like to have some math on that.

[Vampiregenesis]

Yeah would like to know Pawn stat ratings too

I just found them here they are(this is a c/p):

Ideally after you've gotten Blessing of T'uure, you are shooting to get crit up towards 30%, with master above or equal. But in short,
( Pawn: v1: "Jak": Intellect=1, IsFist=-1000000, Indestructible=0.01, Leech=0.01, MovementSpeed=0.01, HasteRating=0.65, MasteryRating=0.8, Versatility=0.64, IsPolearm=-1000000, IsGun=-1000000, IsShield=-1000000, IsPlate=-1000000, Is2HAxe=-1000000, IsOffHand=-1000000, IsCrossbow=-1000000, IsBow=-1000000, IsMail=-1000000, IsSword=-1000000, IsLeather=-1000000, IsWarglaive=-1000000, Is2HMace=-1000000, CritRating=0.79, Avoidance=0.01, Is2HSword=-1000000, IsAxe=-1000000, Stamina=0.01 )

[BadguyNotBadGuy]

I just found them here they are(this is a c/p):

Ideally after you've gotten Blessing of T'uure, you are shooting to get crit up towards 30%, with master above or equal.

I thought the idea is to get mastery close to 50% and crit above 20%....

[Vampiregenesis]

I thought the idea is to get mastery close to 50% and crit above 20%....

Well this a c/p as i said nevertheless i have tried both and 30%+ crit has worked much better for me than 44%+ mastery.

[BadguyNotBadGuy]

Well this a c/p as i said nevertheless i have tried both and 30%+ crit has worked much better for me than 44%+ mastery.

Interesting, im gonna try that out and see how my output fares

[VigilantRose]

I also have been seem the same... I would like to have some math on that.

Benediction adds 6.25 * 310% * 50% * 1.15 = 1141% Spellpower every 12 sec or 92.8% spellpower/sec to your casting cycle if you're already casting Prayer of Mending every 12 sec (which you generally should be). This does not account for Divine Hymn or Holy Mending procs.

Apotheosis allows you to shift from 7:1 to 3:1 cycle on PoH/Sanctify. PoH would be 1000% * 1.12 * 1.18 = 1322% and Sanctify is 3600% * 1.1 = 3960%. The 7:1 cycle is thus (1322%*7+3960%)/(2*7+1.5)=853% spellpower/sec and the 3:1 cycle is (1322*3+3960)/(2*3+1.5)=1057%, for a marginal gain of 204% spellpower/sec. With 30% Mastery, we'll bump that up to 265% with a 16.7% uptime yields 44.2% spellpower/sec.

However, during Divine Hymn, Benediction adds 310% * 8 * 50% = 1240% per Prayer of Mending. You're likely to have 3 in play, so that's 3720% Spellpower per Divine Hymn in an 8 sec window. The marginal gain on Apotheosis during a 30 sec window would be 7950% in a 30 sec window.

If you have the legs, the Benediction numbers jump to around 130% spellpower/sec and 5208% during that 8 sec window. Again, not counting Holy Mending (since it is difficult to model). In terms of logs, Benediction (Renew + Holy Mending) healing will generally account for 10% - 15% of healing. It's difficult to cull out exact numbers for additional Apotheosis healing, but almost no one ever uses more than a small portion of the effect.

[gromphbaenre]

Benediction adds 6.25 * 310% * 50% * 1.15 = 1141% Spellpower every 12 sec or 92.8% spellpower/sec to your casting cycle if you're already casting Prayer of Mending every 12 sec (which you generally should be). This does not account for Divine Hymn or Holy Mending procs.

Apotheosis allows you to shift from 7:1 to 3:1 cycle on PoH/Sanctify. PoH would be 1000% * 1.12 * 1.18 = 1322% and Sanctify is 3600% * 1.1 = 3960%. The 7:1 cycle is thus (1322%*7+3960%)/(2*7+1.5)=853% spellpower/sec and the 3:1 cycle is (1322*3+3960)/(2*3+1.5)=1057%, for a marginal gain of 204% spellpower/sec. With 30% Mastery, we'll bump that up to 265% with a 16.7% uptime yields 44.2% spellpower/sec.

However, during Divine Hymn, Benediction adds 310% * 8 * 50% = 1240% per Prayer of Mending. You're likely to have 3 in play, so that's 3720% Spellpower per Divine Hymn in an 8 sec window. The marginal gain on Apotheosis during a 30 sec window would be 7950% in a 30 sec window.

If you have the legs, the Benediction numbers jump to around 130% spellpower/sec and 5208% during that 8 sec window. Again, not counting Holy Mending (since it is difficult to model). In terms of logs, Benediction (Renew + Holy Mending) healing will generally account for 10% - 15% of healing. It's difficult to cull out exact numbers for additional Apotheosis healing, but almost no one ever uses more than a small portion of the effect.

Solid math, but i would like to add two more points. With Apotheosis you also get the Divinity buff and the increased prayer of healing from your artifact. So this needs to be calculated additionally. And the other point is that you get the healing when you actually need it. Apotheosis is a huge lifesaver when it gets tough, while Benediction might overheal alot. So unless there is constant raid damage, i would figure that Apotheosis should be the better talent in most cases.

[IIDAY]

It's difficult to cull out exact numbers for additional Apotheosis healing, but almost no one ever uses more than a small portion of the effect.

This so much! If you have a good healing core your raid should not be too low to warrant the full 30 seconds of use. From experience I have only been using about half the amount of time before the rest is all overhealing.