Are you proud of your country?

[Tiev]

Brazil here and definitely not.But at the same time, I love seeing brazilians win (athletes, etc.). So While I'm definitely not proud of it, I still root for it.

[PC2]

Your comment made it seem as if you didn't think social programs, such as the NHS, weren't something to be proud of.

I think it depends on the context. Maybe the NHS does basic research? I see that as more admirable than 1 person (who we dont even know if they pay much taxes) that says they are proud because they got a service for free. The NHS basic research would help everyone over time, where as only caring about how they could help you personally is selfish.

[alzoron]

Why would I be proud of my country? I didn't have anything to do with it's creation. You might as well ask me if I'm proud that the sky is blue.

[pmkaboo]

The majority of the world is in Africa and Asia, where most countries are low-income low-GDP per capita. Take away borders and you would get massive waves of low education people walking into Europe.

without borders there are no low or high income/gdp/education countries. instead of just looking at todays world and deleting borders, try to use your imagination a little.

[PC2]

without borders there are no low or high income/gdp/education countries..

Then there also wouldn't be tax collection departments as they would have no sovereignty and authority to enforce collection without borders. Bye-bye European socialism.

[Berengil]

We can thank the Treaty of Rome/EU and globlization for that.

Indeed. And those would never have happened ( or not to the extent that they did) without the Bretton Woods framework and the US Navy enforcing freedom of the seas for all peaceful trade.

US diplomats heavily encouraged the Common Market ( which evolved into the EU) and the US military stood ready to smack at anyone who threatened the new international order which the Bretton Woods conference established. Not to mention that the degree to which the US spent on defense allowed many EU nations to spend lightly on defense ( relative to their economies) and more heavily on social programs.

The greatest threat to the post ww2 international order was the USSR. And even they were rational actors in the sense that however strong their desire for empire (literal in their case), they knew that a full out ww3 would lay waste what they already had and gain them exactly fck-all. No one with 2 brain cells to rub together wants to get into an open war with the US. And the Soviets had plenty of brain cells.

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Brazil here and definitely not.But at the same time, I love seeing brazilians win (athletes, etc.). So While I'm definitely not proud of it, I still root for it.

Brazil does have lots of corruption and crime trouble, but you've made some impressive strides in the last couple of decades. Your navy in particular. Brazil is definitely approaching "middle power" status.

[Deleted]

I suppose the Netherlands is a country worth being proud of. Wealthy through trade and resources, safe, modern, lots of civil liberties and social safety nets. Low amount of corruption and high press freedom. Our kids genuinely grow up safer, healthier and better educated than those in almost every other country in the world. This isn't bragging (it's not my achievement being born here) but simple facts backed by the WHO.

Ofcourse there's issues, but they seem fairly tame compared to the shit that other countries are up to. Our main conversation topics are the shit weather and trains being 3 minutes late, which is an indication of how little many of us have to worry.

[Themius]

I'm not "proud" of America. I'll root for America in things, I think America is a great country, there really isn't anywhere else I want to live. The land itself is great, huge, and varied and beautiful. Politically we have many issues that need fixing.

[Zoldor]

well, donald trump claims to be against that type of action. being proud of the country for saying no to it, is the right way. wanting trump to beat hillary is kinda the right way. would i prefer someone else with more left leaning ideas? yes, but trump is the only non-interventionalist candidate available.

You really give too much nod to a president. Congress is more to blame than any president for the last decade maybe even two. They've been some of the laziest and most obstructionist in history because we don't hold them accountable. We point to the White house and go that guy did it all and they get elected on not being red or blue depending who we don't like at the time. Trump/Hillary either way neither of them is going to stop outside intervention, Trump may claim it, but when he gets in office he'll see where the dollar bills come from and how congress will make its moves. We don't live in a dictatorship despite what the media keeps saying over and over.

Am I proud? Eh, I feel national pride is overrated and dying concept. I like living in the US, there are some places I could be equally as happy, I like some of our customs and traditions a lot and I enjoy the freedom of travel across our giant country. Do we suck sometimes? Yep. Do we do good stuff too? Yep. It is a give and take. I like living here and I'm not ashamed to live here or anything like that. We should have pride in our world, we are well beyond countries at this point it is just a dated concept used to keep people down. Our inter-connectivity is too great at this point. Basically start investing in the stock market and you'll learn there is no country as the failing of one leads a trickle down to all at this point.

[pmkaboo]

Then there also wouldn't be tax collection departments as they would have no sovereignty and authority to enforce collection without borders. Bye-bye European socialism.

im not sold on the idea of taxes either, but to keep it simple, without borders the whole world would be just one big country.

[Themius]

I think it depends on the context. Maybe the NHS does basic research? I see that as more admirable than 1 person (who we dont even know if they pay much taxes) that says they are proud because they got a service for free. The NHS basic research would help everyone over time, where as only caring about how they could help you personally is selfish.

Service isn't free it just allows everyone to have it via taxes...

You know our country does spend the most on healthcare per capita yet has little to show for it.

[Dug]

America has it's problems but I think it's overall a good country. Proud isn't the right way to describe it but I don't hate this country so there's that. We still have things to work on and hopefully, in my life time, I get to see us progress towards a more tolerant and happy country that isn't always arguing over petty things.

[Kithelle]

Nope, not when are best choices for our new leader are a idiotic loudmouth buffoon and a corrupt witch.

[Lady Dragonheart]

I am not prideful of it, no. Pride is an inherent weakness that means that you're poised to overlook inadequacies and I have no issues pointing out what should be worked on in my own country.

[Jinxz]

I am not prideful of it, no. Pride is an inherent weakness that means that you're poised to overlook inadequacies and I have no issues pointing out what should be worked on in my own country.

Pretty much this.

[Deleted]

Remember the Sha of Pride, it was the only one he couldn't defeat, for pride is an evil trait.

[kail]

Why would I be proud of my country? I didn't have anything to do with it's creation. You might as well ask me if I'm proud that the sky is blue.

People either want to feel important and over exaggerate their contribution to society, or they have a loose definition of "pride". The term "thankful" would better suit the OP's question. I at least am thankful I was born and live in a 1st world country.

[Deleted]

short: yes

long: I do not feel proud of being born here and having a citizenship. However, I do take a great pride in my work- I pay taxes, I help fellow people, help the poor, abide the law, interest myself in politics and in general work for the benefit of my country. I also register the problems my country has (and it has seriously a lot) and work towards fixing them. To be proud of my country is not a feeling but an act. If there was a war I would volunteer to defend our country.
#MakeCroatiaGreatAgain*

*last time we were great and on our own was in the 9th century, but eh...

[LordCrispin]

Unfortunately no. While I may be somewhat found of the coastline and other natural beauties, the political system and the mentality of the majority of people irks me greatly. What can you say about a country whose major government party was tried and found guilty of corruption, whose every political leader was relieved of duty due to political affairs and people still keep voting for them.

[Orby]

I am proud to be British, maybe not so much proud of my country though :P