actually yes. When the DNC took away sander's voter data, they turned around and blamed his campaign, spouting exactly the same shit in the specific email about Sanders' campaign being dysfunctional and uncoordinated, all at the same time the DNC was actively working against the campaign. a
And those mother fuckers have the gall to call the Sanders campaign "divisive".
kind of like how conservatives called the Civil Rights movement "divisive" all those rabble rousers wanting equal treatment and representtation and what not SOOO divisive.. lol
Do what you want. That doesn't change the fact that you're throwing away your vote.
If you've waited until the Presidential election to try and change the system then lols you're about two years too late.
This is the problem with your sentiment. Its lazy. It doesn't actually do anything to change the system. Its like the people who tweet out sympathies in response to disasters and do nothing else. Go to a blood drive or try to get donations for the problem. And for this topic, get involved on the local level if you actually give a shit about the topic you're throwing your vote away over.
Otherwise its just mindless whining.
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What also annoys me is that people completely ignore the mid-term elections. It's as if they think the President is almighty and can do whatever he wants. Of course on foreign policy it is a lot like that, which is why Trump scares me so much as a European, but in domestic affairs... to band money in politics, to get single-payer healthcare, to confirm progressive justices to the supreme court, most of what Bernie wants to do is legislative stuff. Yet they ignore the mid-terms and lets the Republicans win seats in those elections. 40% voter turnout or something. I bet if Bernie had become President and when he couldn't pass his stuff in Congress lots of his voters would feel betrayed and completely illogically vote for the other side again or something. Some people seem to think it's about one person when it's clearly not. I mean even if a single-payer healthcare system is not on the agenda of whomever is President from the Democratic party, do you seriously think a Democratic President would block such an Act should it come to his or hers desk? Of course not! The problem is not the Presidency on this regard, it's that Congress doesn't have enough elected progressives.
That's the problem he's talking about though. If you are deliberately choosing not to vote for either candidate, and instead vote for a third party candidate that will never win, you've just taken a vote away from the "lesser of two evils" as you put it and allowed the greater of the two a chance to earn a vote. From an election results stand point, it's a wasted vote...but I wholly understand the desire to not want to vote for either of the clowns from the Republicans or Democrats we've got vying for the position at this point.
Yeah that's what I said.
Do you even know how much goes into getting involved on a local level? You can become a delegate incredibly easily. You can also work phone banks or go door-to-door if you have more time.
You clearly don't even know what the basic process is. When I was between jobs, I spent time going door-to-door for Sanders here in Illinois. I took only about 2 hours in the week (Usually on Friday or Saturday) to do so. Even that small amount of participation is vastly more beneficial than just voting for a third party Presidential candidate at the last minute and whine about the system after.
I guess I will have to hope for the House of Representatives to impeach Trump so that we get a President Mike Pence if it comes to that. I would have living in America with a Mike Pence Presidency. But at least he would not threaten the collapse of the world order. Only problem with that is that the ideological strains of Trump would only grow in support with such a move. So please, don't let it ever come to that. Elect a Democrat, I don't care who it is. >.<
No I'm just stating the obvious fact. Not the fantasy here for electing a third party candidate.
Your like or dislike the current system is irrelevant. This is the way it works for this particular election.
If you ACTUALLY care then the next election actually fucking do something rather than whine on the internet.
now you're just talking about volunteering., that's not what you were talking about earlier. volunteering for a candidate is nothing like getting involved in local government. I wasn't talking anything about volunteering, I was talking about ACTUAL real work to affect change, not going door to door on the weekend for a candidate.
Uhhh yes it is. I gave you my specific example because I think Sanders, if he was able to get the nomination, he'd change the system in the way that I wanted. Or at least start to.
You can also get involved IN your local government if you want. That does take a bit more time, but still nowhere near how you seem to think it is. Also actual elected representatives do get paid if that was your problem.
Seriously, cut out the infantile and narrow minded shit about votes being meaningless. This has been brought up before (probably by you as well) and it's the dumbest possible statement about voting. If you care enough to check a box to someone's name that has meaning to you, whatever the reason might be. Whether it means something to someone else be damned. You don't get a fucking medal for voting for someone who won, or sent to jail for voting for someone who lost.
Grats I'm super glad that has meaning to you. I have no idea where you got the idea I said anything even close to the last sentence of your paragraph. Its just a bunch of nonsense because I pointed out how its the reality of the situation. And apparently you're upset about it.