Republican Election 2016 - Donald Trump Megathread [OFFICIAL]

[Fadeslol]

There is nothing the DNC can do to encourage a turnstile version of illegal immigration, like giving them jobs. The problem is that politicians will not target business, because that's what lines their pockets. Until that becomes the main issue, you can continue to find ways to block mice from getting the cheese, instead of working to make sure the cheese isn't there for the mice to consume.

The whole 2 party system is so fucked up. We can all agree on that.

[Felya]

I just did, you choose to ignore it. It's not my problem you want to listen to politifail. Again, Pangean, i have nothing against you. I don't not know you nor do I hate you. I just disagree with you. I don't want to be saying this but again, i don't want this bullshit to happen.

One of your pieces of evidance, explisidly states that Obama is degrading ISIS and that it would be impossible to destroy.

[alexw]

The Left wants illegals in the country so they can plop out anchor babies so they have future voters. Democrat party in action. Destroying democracy by attrition that they dont naturally have. Its fucking disgusting and it makes me hate the Democrat party more by the day.

I'm afraid you and your racist bigoted white supremacist creed are done for and its end can't come too soon. I say this as a white male too.

[Tijuana]

Funny, Republicans were saying the same thing in 2008 and 2012. Interesting how they still haven't learned their lesson about taking polls seriously.

Nobody takes polls seriously until the debates. You are correct about the last two elections, you are incorrect in thinking your point is valid before the debates even happened. By this logic, polls from 2014 are also relevant, for example.

As Garosh said, things change. The defining moments of this election have yet to occur, and they likely will during the debates.

[Pangean]

I just did, you choose to ignore it. It's not my problem you want to listen to politifail. Again, Pangean, i have nothing against you. I don't not know you nor do I hate you. I just disagree with you. I don't want to be saying this but again, i don't want this bullshit to happen.

No you haven't. You have produced nonsense to support nonsense. It's all conspiracy nonsense which I have demonstrated. And what bullshit is going to happen again? Other than more conspiracy nonsense form you?

[Ghostpanther]

What are his stances on foreign policy? Make our second largest exporter pay for a wall with a self fulfilling altimatum? Make it cheaper for corporations to deal with China, with the help of bolstering troops off the coast of China? Recognition of Russia taking a part of Ukrain or not knowing it already happened? A subjective immigrantion policy that asks government to defind what a religion means?

His healthcare plan is HSA, with a cost cutting measures that escalates with how much you make, instead of for how little you make. It makes it so those in his joint tax filing and making less than $50k would see no benefit. A tax write off, for those who he claims will pay no taxes.

Economic is simply absurd. He attacks our second largest exporter. Claims to not remove tax loopholes, but make taxes on corporations so low, that loopholes will not be needed. He lists incredible amount of tax cuts on the top and corporation, as in people like him self, without any cost cutting measures. The guy just had two of his property loans lowered by combined 70 million, something that doesn't just disappear... We as tax payers are paying for it...

Gun rights is just funny, considering you told me I was flaming you, for telling you what Trump said about your agreement with him immidietly after the Orlando shooting. He quite litteraly told you that your belief in what he said, was missing the obvious. That still stands... If you agree with Trump's stance today, he will tell you missed the obvious tomorrow... Remember, according to Trump's site, only the stupid criminals would try to obtain guns legally, thanks to background checks. Something that he then claimes to not support.

Fighting terrorism, doesn't make sense either. He doesn't understand how ISIS was founded. Agrees with ISIS on what Muslims should be doing. Repeats exactly what ISIS claims, including conspiracy theories about the west and the nature of the religion. Then, his call for "bomb the shit out of them, then give their oil to Exxon" is only a conspiracy theory about Bush, but a positive about Trump? He opposes the Iraq war, but supports the very reason why conspiracy theorist believe caused the war in the first place? Obama and Clinton founded ISIS, yet it's Trump who agrees with ISIS?

His immigration claims are absurd, to the point where he would give government the right to define religion and then use it as a means to block entry. It's directly counter to not only the constitution, but the foundation of conservative values.



They are taxed. I was taxed as a Sunday school athletics coach and my gf gets taxed working for a non profit. That issue doesn't exist. The issue is building your self a mansion or farm on the backs of charitable church donation's, which includes the father of Jerry Fallwell jr, who spoke at RNC convention and a former GOP candidate whose husband runs gay conversion therapy from his church.

Sorry for delaying my response, had some work which needed to be done outside.

I am not ok with tens of billions of dollars in trade deficits with other countries. Maybe you are. China has been showing aggression themselves in the China Sea. I am fine with building the wall. Maybe you are not. And I understand what he means when he says Mexico will pay for it.

His health care plan is also about creating more competition within the insurance companies. By allowing a person to shop for the best deal for them. By crossing state lines can do that. I understand this concept personally because the insurance company and plan I have, has limits strictly to certain ones. Even some plans in Ohio I can not qualify for. And you do know there are lot of people who make more than 50k a year? Allowing them to deduct the costs of any personal savings they put into a health care plan is a good thing.

Lowering taxes for everyone can help the economy. His plan for myself would save me a min of 1500 a year. That is money I would turn around and invest back into the economy. Maybe you do not think so. Nafta should be changed or better yet, eliminated. Maybe you do not think so. It would lead to more jobs for Americans by us making more of our own stuff and as a result, end in better pay too.

I remember agreeing with his statement that if some others there had been armed, it may have turned out with less deaths. But maybe you do not remember me later in the same thread posting I did not agree with him the patrons are the ones who should be armed in a bar, but rather they should have had armed guards. But also stated, that even Ga had passed a bill allowing CCP people to carry a firearm into bars and no increase in gun violence had happened since then to the extent it was noticeable that I am aware of. So the point that mass shooters usually pick soft unarmed targets is a valid one.

FIghting ISIS is something more Arab nations should take part in. Bombing them is what is going on now with Obama. Only difference is, the US is paying for it mostly. And the private citizens over there by dragging out the war longer. I have no issues with stronger vetting of Muslims trying to enter the US until we have a grip on who is. And he is referring to non US citizens who are Muslim. We should have kept some of the oil in Iraq. You would not agree to this I am sure. Obama led to ISIS in the sense he withdraw American troops too soon from there.

The government already defines what is religions to some degree. Which ones can claim tax free status for example. He would have the Constitutional right to block entry into the US if he feels it is in the best interest of the American people when it comes to safety of them.

I do not think any should be exempt from taxation other than the limits of income status. None.

Look, I think we have reached a impasse on this. Sometimes 2 people are simply not going to agree on a subject. Which is ok, as long as the discussion is kept to substance and not personal attacks ( which you have not done any personal attacks ), I will continue to read your posts with interest.

[Felya]

The whole 2 party system is so fucked up. We can all agree on that.

What does politicians lining their pockets, have to do with 2 party system? You are supporting a corporation running for highest office in the country. That's not the fault of a two party system, but the embodiment of what is wrong with it. People like you are arguing for a change from both corporatist parties, to give the country directly to a corporation. Your issue isn't that two party system is broken, but that the corporatist government we have, is not moving to a plutocracy or oligarchy fast enouph.

[Pangean]

It looks like the country you come from isn't an issue for the Trump folks but the color of your skin.

Teen Trump fan, ejected from Charlotte rally, says he was profiled

An 18-year-old Charlotte college student who was ejected from Thursday’s Donald Trump rally says he went from avid backer to disillusioned opponent after Trump’s security accused him of being a known protester.

Jake Anantha, who registered as a Republican and planned to cast his first presidential vote for Trump, was wearing a Trump shirt when police removed him from the Charlotte Convention Center before the rally began. He and his father, Ramesh Anantha, say they believe he was profiled because of his dark skin.

“It’s unbelievably ironic,” said Ramesh Anantha, whose parents immigrated from India. He says his son, as a young person of color appearing at a rally where the Republican presidential nominee touted his support for people of color, “should have been looked at as a perfect Trump supporter. He should have been somebody they’re putting up on stage.”

Kirk Bell, communications director for Trump’s North Carolina campaign, said Friday morning he’s looking into the incident and will respond.

Jake Anantha graduated from Charlotte-Mecklenburg’s Ardrey Kell High this year and enrolled at Central Piedmont Community College. His parents are conservative Republicans, but his dad says the teen’s ardor for Trump sometimes made them say “Whoa!”

“When I saw him on TV, I personally didn’t mind his rhetoric,” Jake Anantha said Friday. “I defended him. When people called him a racist, I said he’s a critic of our flawed immigration system. He’s strong on Islamic terrorism.”

Anantha says he arrived at the Convention Center around 3:30 p.m., and when the crowd was admitted around 4:30 he took a position near the stage. He says he was standing there when a security staffer tapped his shoulder and asked him to come with him. He says the staffer said, “We know who you are. You’ve been at many other rallies.”

Despite Anantha’s protests that this was his first Trump rally and he was a supporter, police escorted him out. Because the event was private, the Trump staff could choose who was allowed to stay, and Anantha says police warned him not to cause a fuss and get arrested.

Rose Hamid, a Charlotte Muslim who has appeared at various Trump rallies to peacefully protest his depiction of Muslims, was ejected at the same time, as she was handing out flower pens as part of her “Salam, I come in peace” campaign.

Anantha says he stood outside the Convention Center watching a stream of white people enter.

“I thought (Trump) was for all people. I don’t believe he is for all people anymore,” he said. “Why are all these white people allowed to attend and I’m not?”

Jake and Ramesh Anantha say they realize it was not Trump who personally ordered the removal, but they say the candidate is responsible for the people he hires and the tone he sets.

“It was a very rude introduction into the world of politics,” said Ramesh Anantha, who works in financial services. “We realize Donald Trump himself had nothing to do with this problem, but it’s the type of campaign he’s running.”

Both men say they’d like an apology, but even if that happens, Trump has lost the family’s vote.

Jake Anantha says he thinks he’ll now cast his first presidential vote for Libertarian Gary Johnson.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/pol...e96648367.html

[Fadeslol]

What does politicians lining their pockets, have to do with 2 party system? You are supporting a corporation running for highest office in the country. That's not the fault of a two party system, but the embodiment of what is wrong with it. People like you are arguing for a change from both corporatist parties, to give the country directly to a corporation. Your issue isn't that two party system is broken, but that the corporatist government we have, is not moving to a plutocracy or oligarchy fast enouph.

Yea a corporation? You mean a person who is self funding, atleast for the most part. We don't need to break up the 2 party system and give more options. Also we need an option on the ticket for "None of the above"

[Reeve]

1. Social media and the Internet has been around since G.W. Bush, it has all been factored into the math by actual geniuses.
2. You have proof they poll more democrats than republicans? Give me factual references, not made up bullshit like, "Republicans are too busy working." They poll states and states populations are polled, Georgia is a bastion of republicans and yet it is polling as s battleground state currently, most people in ga are republican. This is made up bullshit that just sounds good to you so it must be true.
3. They are conditioning you that if Hillary wins then it must of been an election steal that way they can hide their own failures and aim your anger at their enemies.

1. Social media has nothing to do with the validity of polling. Whether or not you call cell phones does, not not social media.
2. Yes. More democrats are polled, because there are more Democrats and people who lean democrat in the country. In a representative sample of voters, you would definitely expect to find more democrats: http://www.people-press.org/2015/04/...y-affiliation/
3. Yeah, this is conspiracy theory nonsense.

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How's that different from a union boss telling their people to vote for Democrats or they'll lose their jobs?

Oh right, preachers shouldn't have the same rights as everyone else. Freedom of speech is something you progs really hate.

Union bosses have no input into the final resting place of your immortal soul.

[GennGreymane]

Nobody takes polls seriously until the debates. You are correct about the last two elections, you are incorrect in thinking your point is valid before the debates even happened. By this logic, polls from 2014 are also relevant, for example.

As Garosh said, things change. The defining moments of this election have yet to occur, and they likely will during the debates.

Please dont be mad.


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Im waiting for the debates... which I am attending

[NYC17]

Yea a corporation? You mean a person who is self funding, atleast for the most part. We don't need to break up the 2 party system and give more options. Also we need an option on the ticket for "None of the above"

Fucking hell. He is not self funding

[Fadeslol]

It looks like the country you come from isn't an issue for the Trump folks but the color of your skin.

Putting out Conspiracy Theorist? Is that the Trump story of the day that he hates all color people? Give me a break

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Fucking hell. He is not self funding

He didn't pay for all the Primary?

Who is paying for it then?

[Reeve]

Nobody takes polls seriously until the debates. You are correct about the last two elections, you are incorrect in thinking your point is valid before the debates even happened. By this logic, polls from 2014 are also relevant, for example.

As Garosh said, things change. The defining moments of this election have yet to occur, and they likely will during the debates.

People generally start taking polls seriously after the conventions, not the debates. And no candidate has ever come back from such a large gap after the convention. It would take something seismic happening, like finding out the Clinton is actually a serial killer, or an assassination, or a major terror attack or something like that.

[Kujako]

Who is paying for it then?

Mostly tax payers through matching funds and donations.

[Tijuana]

It looks like the country you come from isn't an issue for the Trump folks but the color of your skin.

Is this what passes for journalism these days? One side of a story with zero fucks given about speaking to the other side? I mean, the article could be exactly what happened. But, there was a time when actual journalists would at least pretend to speak with the second party in a dispute, and say something like "Trump campaign had no comment," or something along those lines. I'm just amazed how much the media has sold it's soul these past few election cycles.

[Pangean]

Yea a corporation? You mean a person who is self funding, atleast for the most part. We don't need to break up the 2 party system and give more options. Also we need an option on the ticket for "None of the above"

LOL. Self-funding? I guess the 80 or so million he claimed he raised last month is self funding? Do you simply accept at face value what Trump claims? If so why?

[NYC17]

Putting out Conspiracy Theorist? Is that the Trump story of the day that he hates all color people? Give me a break

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He didn't pay for all the Primary?

Who is paying for it then?

Take a look at his economic advisory board. For someone who is so sure of everything you post about, you have a glaring lack of knowledge...

Hmm sounds familiar

[Tijuana]

Really man? You are correcting me on that one word that doesn't change the meaning of what I said? Don't you have something better to do, like linking thought provoking articles, and providing nothing to the discussion?

[GennGreymane]

Really man? You are correcting me on that one word that doesn't change the meaning of what I said? Don't you have something better to do, like linking thought provoking articles, and providing nothing to the discussion?

I just thought it would be funny....