Republican Election 2016 - Donald Trump Megathread [OFFICIAL]

[Edge-]

He'll just have to speak a bit more at this one since it's only 2 people as opposed to multiple.

That won't be an issue for him, the primary debates were basically "Trump vs. everyone else" anyways. He loves to talk.

Will he have anything substantive to say that he and his campaign/surrogates won't be backpedaling on within 24 hours is the bigger question.

Plus I think you underestimate political campaigns, they could take a nobody off the street and drill them for 2 weeks preparing them for every possible question and what exactly the response should be.

Sure, if you want to end up like Rubio repeating the exact same phrase during one of the primary debates and short circuiting, there's more than just memorization and repetition. Yes, they need to hammer their core messaging through, but knowing how to tailor responses to specific questions (or how to redirect effectively) takes more than just memorizing a handful of sound bites.

As long as they can remember that information you'd have no idea that they didn't know jack shit

So either Trump is incapable of remembering that information or has chosen not to bother trying so far, because thus far this task that you present as so simple has been well out of reach of Trump throughout his campaign : P

[Felya]

You seem to have forgotten where the entire discussion started, which was you claiming that Hillary had no reason no lie (or whatever you want to call it) on the debate stage, and I was pointing a specific time in a debate with Bernie when she had.

But, you didn't. All you did is show that she maintained the same position, while misunderstanding the difference between 'support' and 'supported'.

We are not discussing what she supports or doesn't support now, simply what she said she supported back during that time period. And Bernie, politifact, pretty much everyone acknowledges that when she said that it was straight bullshit and no indication had ever been given that she supported something other than $12/hr.

Your only quote about her, contradicted the above, as it clearly states she supported 12, but wants it to go further, using NY as an example. That proves you wrong, the fact that you quoted it, doesn't change the fact that it contradicts you.

Those are simple facts, the fact that you can't even accept that makes your reality claim that much harder to take seriously.

I've provided direct links to policy pages and even examples of what she was talking about. Your facts only proved me right, including her use of the very same example. You are not dealing with reality...

[Felya]

Why not? Seems easy to me...

Because it doesn't fit his view, even when he is the one contradicting him self.

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@Stommped this is the fact you posted:

Hillary believes we are long overdue in raising the minimum wage. She has supported raising the federal minimum wage to $12, and believes that we should go further than the federal minimum through state and local efforts, and workers organizing and bargaining for higher wages, such as the Fight for $15 and recent efforts in Los Angeles and New York to raise their minimum wage to $15."

I'm not sure how or what is causing you to think she is lying about supporting 15$, while saying she supported 12$. It proves the complete opposite of what you claimed.

[PACOX]

Its not even about staying on script. Its that Trump just does not have the ability to debate complex topics using well reasoned evidence and data, and he will not be able to lie his way around it. Neither the moderators nor Hillary nor fact checking broadcasters will let him get away with it.

How does he get around this? Can anyone see a rational way?

I know how he going to get around it. Remember when critized Rubio for using teleprompters and being a robot?

[cubby]

I'm not sure how or what is causing you to think she is lying about supporting 15$, while saying she supported 12$. It proves the complete opposite of what you claimed.

Because people who think Hillary is a liar or corrupt pay almost zero attention to facts.

[alexw]

It's not like Presidential debates ask real questions and the primary debates ask what's your favorite color. He'll just have to speak a bit more at this one since it's only 2 people as opposed to multiple. Plus I think you underestimate political campaigns, they could take a nobody off the street and drill them for 2 weeks preparing them for every possible question and what exactly the response should be. As long as they can remember that information you'd have no idea that they didn't know jack shit, especially if they are as comfortable with public speaking as Trump is.

This is just reality denial. Go watch 5 minutes of one of the republican primary debates and 5 minutes of this. Then come back and tell me they are the same.

And FYI Trump hasn't been preparing for the debates. He is going to wing it.

[Edge-]

And FYI Trump hasn't been preparing for the debates. He is going to wing it.

Has his campaign said this? I mean, I wouldn't be remotely surprised by this, but it's the first I've heard of it.

[Felya]

Because people who think Hillary is a liar or corrupt pay almost zero attention to facts.

He litteraly posted saying Hillary supported 12$ an hour, but supports movements that want it to go to 15$ on the state level, as an example of her lying about supporting 15$, when she only supports 12$. He litteraly posted something arguing against his opinion would, as I even used an example that was included to show what she means. It's bizarre, because it's not even the first time he does this. See his 'about time' earlier in the thread, about Kasich support of Trump. He did nearly the exact same thing.

[Orbitus]

He responded with facts and opinions based on those facts and all you can say is, "you suck". There is a reason he's a moderator and you aren't

But he didn't respond with facts. He is saying that Hillary was never for the $15 minimum wage, while she is now because of the agreements that she and Bernie made. But then again, I really shouldn't be talking to someone like you who has spoken more bullshit on this forum than almost anyone on here.

[alexw]

I know how he going to get around it. Remember when critized Rubio for using teleprompters and being a robot?

You can do that once, maybe two or three times. You can't do it for 1-2 hours straight.

And FYI Rubio Robot is a perfect example of someone else who also doesn't have the ability to debate complex topics using well reasoned evidence and data. If Trump tries he will fail just like Rubio did because he too lacks the needed knowledge and experience.

[Orbitus]

Don't underestimate the Assange factor as well

What Assange factor? All of the emails released by wikileaks has literally done nothing. Hope he enjoys living the rest of his life in that embassy, because he is never coming out.

[Orbitus]

Because people who think Hillary is a liar or corrupt pay almost zero attention to facts.

Feels before reals election. I will keep repeating it until it catches on, but that is how this is with the Cheeto Jesus supporters.

[kail]

Because people who think Hillary is a liar or corrupt pay almost zero attention to facts.

Well, she has lied. In the past, present, and expect even more in the future. Is she corrupt? I don't know her personally enough to judge that. Adam West could be a corrupt person for all I know.

[alexw]

Has his campaign said this? I mean, I wouldn't be remotely surprised by this, but it's the first I've heard of it.

Pretty much yes. According to reports his prep is to discuss issues with his campaign team. No complex briefing papers or policy documents to learn about the issues for him.

[cubby]

Some of them do, others are just blind Trump supporters who think everything he says is 100% rock solid. Sad to think about when you actually step back and look at his statements over the course of race.

I agree completely. Trump is one of the most corrupt people to run for this office. Yet people continually ignore that basic fact.

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Feels before reals election. I will keep repeating it until it catches on, but that is how this is with the Cheeto Jesus supporters.

Interesting line - and catchy. I could carry that torch for a few rounds.

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Well, she has lied. In the past, present, and expect even more in the future. Is she corrupt? I don't know her personally enough to judge that. Adam West could be a corrupt person for all I know.

About what? Tell me what you think she has lied about (and this is the entire issue, right here).

[alexw]

But, considering the source, this could be a 10 ton pile of cow manure. The guy contradicts himself and makes erroneous statements on close to a daily basis(I haven't checked every day of his life).

Perhaps. But everything we know about Trump tells us he doesn't do books or learning complex knowledge. During the primaries his foreign policy expert advisors gave up as he refused to learn.

[Stommped]

But, you didn't. All you did is show that she maintained the same position, while misunderstanding the difference between 'support' and 'supported'.



Your only quote about her, contradicted the above, as it clearly states she supported 12, but wants it to go further, using NY as an example. That proves you wrong, the fact that you quoted it, doesn't change the fact that it contradicts you.



I've provided direct links to policy pages and even examples of what she was talking about. Your facts only proved me right, including her use of the very same example. You are not dealing with reality...

Ok so I'm not, Bernie isn't, politifact (left-leaning) isn't, but Felya is. 10-4

[Edge-]

What Assange factor?

Some folks are holding out in the hopes that Assange is going to release something that will REALLY GET HER THIS TIME, FOR REALSIES WE PROMISE THIS ISN'T LIKE THE PAST 100 TIMES!

Pretty much yes. According to reports his prep is to discuss issues with his campaign team. No complex briefing papers or policy documents to learn about the issues for him.

Yeesh, hope they're doing mock debates with him and prepping him on how to handle moderators questions etc.

Interesting line - and catchy. I could carry that torch for a few rounds.

There's some irony to the "feels before reals" thing. Prior to the RNC, and especially Gingrich's CNN interview where he argued that facts are irrelevant and subservient to feelings, it was an insult that the right directed towards those on the left that were offended by anything. So watching it get turned around so effortlessly is pretty hilarious.

[Stommped]

Because it doesn't fit his view, even when he is the one contradicting him self.

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@Stommped this is the fact you posted:



I'm not sure how or what is causing you to think she is lying about supporting 15$, while saying she supported 12$. It proves the complete opposite of what you claimed.

Accept it doesnt...? It says she has and continues to support $12/hr. If she support $15 then she would say $15. On Bernie's website there was no mention of a $12/hr minimum wage, because he didn't support that. See the difference? Can't make it any simpler than that.

[cubby]

One of the plethora of misappropriation of accusations, is the charity foundation angle. Trump clearly violated federal law in 2013 when he donated money to the Florida AG's campaign. Why isn't the "Hillary biased" media commenting on that - or tracking it down? Or doing anything in regards to journalism.