Republican Election 2016 - Donald Trump Megathread [OFFICIAL]

[Pangean]

I don't support either choice I look at how both are wrong, because I am sane and not a zealot. Nice of you to make assumptions about me. If you think either side is not liars or corrupt then lol...

Fuck you are dense. Your choice of neither is your personal choice and one you think is the best choice and others choices are clearly wrong. Just like he said.

Keep it civil

[zenkai]

Fuck you are dense. Your choice of neither is your personal choice and one you think is the best choice and others choices are clearly wrong. Just like he said.

What a childish response. Both choices are clearly wrong, but you will defend your side no matter what, this is how we got to choice of Clinton and Trump because they know no matter what you will vote D or R.

[Pangean]

What a childish response. Both choices are clearly wrong, but you will defend your side no matter what, this is how we got to choice of Clinton and Trump because they know no matter what you will vote D or R.

Yeah you still aren't getting it. You are saying your personal choice is the best choice and everyone else's choice are wrong. Just like he said. Instead of actually understanding what he wrote you are now busy proving him correct. /golfclap

[Fahrenheit]

I think we all can agree at this point that Donald Trump is clearly unwell and has some form of mental illness. While Clinton is no peach, she's at least sane and a known quantity. She may be a lot of things, but mentally incapable of holding the office isn't one of them.

[zenkai]

Yeah you still aren't getting it. You are saying your personal choice is the best choice and everyone else's choice are wrong. Just like he said. Instead of actually understanding what he wrote you are now busy proving him correct. /golfclap

I understand what I wrote, clearly you do not. Good luck with that.

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I think we all can agree at this point that Donald Trump is clearly unwell and has some form of mental illness. While Clinton is no peach, she's at least sane and a known quantity. She may be a lot of things, but mentally incapable of holding the office isn't one of them.

She can't even handle documents properly, the FBI pretty much said she was incompetent and that's why charges should not be filed against her. Yeah, that's who I want running my country, some 70 year old bat who has a shady past who doesn't even understand basic cyber security.

[Felya]

They arent a deterrent if everyone knows we will never use them

Who should we threaten with nuking? There is no threat currently in the world that justifies it's use. There is no reason to come out and say 'we will use nukes', other than to justify our enemies having them as well. The fact that they are there for use when needed, is a deterrent. The fact that Trump is like you in not understanding what nukes are, is why he said places like Korea should not be held back from getting them and now wonders why nukes are not used. If you need more info on why, see the Iraq war, where weapons of mass distraction was justification of war, when not only was Iraq not threatening to use them, but claimed to never have them. It's why many disagree with Trump in his call to let Iran have nukes, despite them saying its for energy only. Revisit that rhetoric you used against Obama and apply it to Trump who actually admits what you accused Obama of, when it comes to nukes in Iran...

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What a childish response. Both choices are clearly wrong, but you will defend your side no matter what, this is how we got to choice of Clinton and Trump because they know no matter what you will vote D or R.

Are you ignoring people like Meg Witman who are funding Hillary and supporting her, even though she is Republican? Your bullshit false equivalency doesn't work with Trump. Politicians with R next to their name are not blindly supporting Trump. Because as pointed out many times, both Romney and McCain did not have the same reaction as Trump. They were based on policy disagreements, not whole sale misunderstanding of US governance.

Your false equivalency isn't just wrong, but is lazy and ignorant. Trump is not your typical republican and he will be the first to tell you that.

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I understand what I wrote, clearly you do not. Good luck with that.

Then you don't understand what even a basic discourse is. I can post everything I do in Russian and then complain that I can understand and that's all that maters. Completley missing the point... When someone misinterprets what I say, as you should be keenly aware, I'll restate it to make clearer to the reader. To respond with 'I understood', completley negates the point of posting on a forum. This isn't a blog...

[zorkuus]

The problem is that Trump's definition, and I assume yours, of "things getting out of hand" and a normal persons are vastly different.

"But those people in another country made fun of me! What do you mean nuking them wasn't the right call?"

[Pangean]

I understand what I wrote, clearly you do not. Good luck with that.

The problem you are having is not what you wrote but understanding what someone else wrote. Being oblivious is no way to go through life.

[DeadmanWalking]

I don't support either choice I look at how both are wrong, because I am sane and not a zealot. Nice of you to make assumptions about me. If you think either side is not liars or corrupt then lol...

What I am saying is that you clearly feel you are right and everyone who disagrees with you are wrong. I make no assumptions, I only know what you have told me. "Everyone voting for Hillary or Trump are clearly insane and I am doing X because I am right." I never said anything about supporting either choice. You are not always right merely because you are you and no one else is. The problem with your logic is that -everyone- thinks thier decisions are always right and anyone who disagrees with them are always wrong, if everyone feels this way then logically it is impossible for everyone to be right so no one is right.

[Felya]

"But those people in another country made fun of me! What do you mean nuking them wasn't the right call?"

No, with Trump it will be closer to submitting the request to congress. Then when outrage hits, claim he was just joking. What? Iran can't take a joke?

[Pangean]

"But those people in another country made fun of me! What do you mean nuking them wasn't the right call?"

I think there is a reason(s) they (RNC and Trump advisers) are planning an intervention with him yet again. This would be one of them.

[DeadmanWalking]

I understand what I wrote, clearly you do not. Good luck with that.

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You clearly do not understand what I wrote since it had nothing to do with which candidate you did or did not chose. My point is simple, You think everyone is wrong and you are right merely because you are incapable of looking beyond your self to understand why people behave the way they do.

Everyone always thinks they are the one who is right and anyone who disagrees with them are wrong. Don't assume you are always right just because they are not you.

[alexw]

I can't see how Trump and Hillary supporters defend either one when they are clearly in the wrong, I hate this election and can't wait till it's over. Hopefully in 4 years we will have someone who doesn't suck so much, they both set the bar low so it shouldn't be too hard.

No matter how much you much may dislike Clinton (can't say I'm ecstatic about her either), what we know from her decades of prior political work is that she will abide by the norms of society and governance. She might make mistakes but she will not willingly charge head-first into them. None of this can be said for Trump. He is categorically unfit to hold the office of president. So its not now a question of who's policies are better, etc, but that even though Clinton in her own way is a flawed candidate, she is temperamentally fit for the office and competent enough to hold it. Trump evidently is not. Although quite a bit hyperbolic the statement "the country can survive 4 years of Clinton but not 4 years of Trump" has a big ring of truth to it. So for anyone who values societal and governance norms, whatever side of the political spectrum you lie on, there really is only one choice in this election and its not Trump.

[Pangean]

Gingrich a Trump Toadie has some advice for his benefactor.

Trump Bestie Gingrich Admits Trump Has Been 'Very Self-Destructive'

Donald Trump surrogate and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-GA) said Wednesday that Trump has been "very self-destructive" by hesitating to endorse House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) and Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) in their primaries.

"Let me just say flatly I am totally for John McCain, who is a great war hero and a terrific human being, who has worked very hard for veterans, and I’m totally for Paul Ryan, who is the heart of the House Republican Party and probably the most problem-solving leader we’ve had in the Congress on the Republican side, I think, in the last 20 years," Gingrich said on Fox Business Network, according to Politico. "So I think somewhat what Trump has done is just very self-destructive."

Gingrich said that Trump must "find a way to slow down, really learn some new lessons." And he added that the campaign is a reversal from Trump's role on his reality television show, "The Apprentice."

"He doesn’t get to say ‘you’re fired.’ The American people get to say, ‘you’re fired.’ So he’s really got to take a deep breath," the former speaker said, according to Politico. "I think he has the potential to win the election. I think he has the potential to be a historic president, but to do that, he has got to grow into the size of the job and not get stuck where he has been, which frankly over the last week, I think has been very disheartening to most of his supporters.”

Gingrich said that Trump is in a "slump" and needs to start pivoting to the general election.

"Trump is still behaving like as though it was the primaries and there were 17 candidates. He has not made the transition to being the potential president of the United States, which is a much tougher league," he said, according to Politico.

Gingrich's comments come as Trump has made several controversial statements, drawing rebukes from Republicans and his own campaign surrogates. In addition to declining to back Ryan and McCain in the primaries, Trump has launched repeated attacks on the parents of a Muslim American soldier.

Another Trump surrogate, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R), on Tuesday said that Trump's comments about the Khan family were "inappropriate."
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...lf-destructive

[Noxx79]

No, with Trump it will be closer to submitting the request to congress. Then when outrage hits, claim he was just joking. What? Iran can't take a joke?

I actually have enough faith in the US military that they would NEVER acquiesce to one of Trump's whims to use a nuke. What I'd be worried about is what happens afterwards - Trump would no doubt try to "fire" all the higher brass who would not follow his order and attempt to put in some of his lackeys.

This would cause both military and constitutional chaos. I don't see how that could possibly end well at all for the US.

[DeadmanWalking]

Donald is the Revenge President. Anytime anything negative is said about Trump he feels the need to strike back and get revenge. He skips debates because 'Fox news is mean to me.', and we are talking fox news here, the 'news' network that is going to be totally shilling for the man to the point they won't report negative stories about him anymore. The Gold star Khans were an obvious political trap that he keeps dick flopping into because he can't let a slight slide. Rubio mentions small hands=small penis in his own rally and Trump has to tell everyone in the first five minutes of a nationally televised R debate that his hands are Uuge and that his cock is too. He is already talking about passing laws to punish news outlets for 'spreading lies about you', which there are already libel laws to address spreading lies, but his laws would actually include people who say mean things about him.

You compliment him, like Putin, and he will give you anything you want, like Crimea. Tell him he has a Uuge dick and he may well build a skyscraper for you. If he gets elected I wouldn't want to be Megen Kelly, Gretchen Carlson, Ted Cruz, Kasich or any other person who spoke a single ill word about the guy in front of a live microphone because their asses are going down.

[zenkai]

You clearly do not understand what I wrote since it had nothing to do with which candidate you did or did not chose. My point is simple, You think everyone is wrong and you are right merely because you are incapable of looking beyond your self to understand why people behave the way they do.

Everyone always thinks they are the one who is right and anyone who disagrees with them are wrong. Don't assume you are always right just because they are not you.

My point was from my post that people defend their candidate when they say and do shit wrong, it's not the complicated holy shit.

[Pangean]

Yet another story on how close Trump's campaign is to Russia.

Trump Adviser Bashed US Policy Toward Russia In July Moscow Speech

An adviser to Donald Trump criticized United States policy toward Russia in a July trip to Moscow, the Huffington Post reported Tuesday. The trip came the week before the Trump campaign reportedly worked to soften language in the Republican party platform regarding U.S. support for Ukraine against Russian aggression.

"Washington and other Western capitals have impeded potential progress through their often hypocritical focus on ideas such as democratization, inequality, corruption, and regime change," Trump adviser Carter Page said in a speech at a graduate school in Moscow in July, according to Huffington Post.

He also called for the U.S. to lift sanctions on Russia that were put in place after the annexation of Crimea.

Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort, who has advised pro-Russian Ukrainian leader Viktor Yanukovych, has denied that the campaign tried to change the platform, and there's no evidence that Page was involved.

This all comes as Trump has praised Russian Leader Vladimir Putin, suggested he won't support NATO allies, said he would look into recognizing the Russian annexation of Crimea, and called for a better relationship with Russia.

Page has investments in the Russian energy giant Gazprom, and consults businesses looking to work with Russian entities, according to the Huffington Post. And he told Bloomberg News in March that U.S. sanctions on Russia have hurt his business.

“So many people who I know and have worked with have been so adversely affected by the sanctions policy,” Page told Bloomberg in March. “There’s a lot of excitement in terms of the possibilities for creating a better situation.”

In his July speech in Moscow, Page said that if the U.S. were to lift sanctions on Russia, American companies could begin to work with Russian entities in the oil business, according to the Huffington Post.

Trump has denied that he has any business investments in Russia, but he has yet to address whether Russian businesses entities are invested in his projects.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...e-trump-russia

[Wildtree]

Not sure if posted already.. But I found it an interesting read and spin on the situation.

I think it has a healthy dose of truth with a healthy dose of speculation. Just from another angle.
Jesse Ventura: ‘I’m Glad to See’ Donald Trump Destroy the GOP

[Felya]

I actually have enough faith in the US military that they would NEVER acquiesce to one of Trump's whims to use a nuke. What I'd be worried about is what happens afterwards - Trump would no doubt try to "fire" all the higher brass who would not follow his order and attempt to put in some of his lackeys.

This would cause both military and constitutional chaos. I don't see how that could possibly end well at all for the US.

I think he will be rebuked by congress and doesn't have the understanding of governance, to do what Reagan did when funding militants. What I see as the issue, is Trump saying the same stupid shit, like his 'joke' about Russia, and world leaders not getting the joke. For example, setting a travel ban on Iran, without any provocation, would destroy any sort of relations US has with Iran. It wouldn't be economic sanctions that influence their government, but pretty much an insinuation that we are at war with Iran. Unlike Trump, world leaders will know the history of travel bans in US and the tie of it to war.