Democratic Election 2016 - Hillary Clinton Megathread [OFFICIAL]

[-Nurot]

Here is what Trump said on her health:

"I hope she gets well soon. I don't know what's going on. I'm like you. I just see what I see -- the coughing fit was a week ago, so I assume that was pneumonia also. So something is going on, but i just hope she gets well and gets back on the trail, and we'll be seeing her at the debate."
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/12/politi...alth-response/

It is pretty darn bad when even Trump is more considerate and respectable to his main opponent, than some posters on MMO Champ...

That's just him being Donald, though, because at the same time he says it, he then goes into how healthy he is, how he just took another physical and how he's going on Dr. Oz to discuss how good his health is and release the numbers.

It's his passive-aggressive way, to stoke the flames, but later deny that he did. Like every time he's repeated a lie he "heard" in this campaign, but then said he didn't believe it, he was just saying...

[Fargus]

Does Clinton have a health issue? The heck if I know, but I'm smart enough to know that no compelling evidence one way or another has been provided.

But apparently not smart enough to watch the video clip of her losing motor control and falling like a ragdoll, that has been posted hundreds of times all over the internet.

[Malderon]

If you want WW3 vote for Hillary NOW!

[May90]

That's just him being Donald, though, because at the same time he says it, he then goes into how healthy he is, how he just took another physical and how he's going on Dr. Oz to discuss how good his health is and release the numbers.

It's his passive-aggressive way, to stoke the flames, but later deny that he did. Like every time he's repeated a lie he "heard" in this campaign, but then said he didn't believe it, he was just saying...

Still better than if he attacked her directly, saying, "I told ya, see, she has pneumonia... She should step down right now, she is unfit to be a president". Shows that he isn't a complete nutcase and still has some decency in him.

[Fargus]

Well, no. You're just objectively wrong here. But it won't work if I tell you you're wrong. So here's a doctor instead.

An individual’s current health and health history do not make them more susceptible to pneumonia, Kotloff said.

"It can affect an otherwise perfectly healthy individual, whether they are elderly or even young adults. In general, stress and a heavy schedule that lead to exhaustion can certainly have an effect on the immune system,” Kotloff said. “Someone acquiring pneumonia does not in any way imply that they have an underlying health condition.”


Now here's where you say "Sorry. I was wrong."

No, I'm not.

Read what I said again:

You don't get pneumonia that easily unless you have underlying health problems and/or a poor immune system.

You won't get something as severe as pneumonia if you have a strong immune system. The good doctor even agrees with me on that point, your quote of him even tells you that a weakened immune system doesn't help. So I'm not objectively wrong at all, why the hell do you think I included the and/or condition in the first place?

All you've proven is that you're incapable of reading not only my own post, but your own source. Good one.

[TrumpIsPresident]

Serena Williams suffers from DVT. Is she unhealthy too?

See what you're not understanding is that blood clots are not indicative of general health. We know this, because we have a letter from an actual medical doctor certifying her as of good general health.

The public matter is that she has been dodging media on everything: her failed policies, her flip-flop record, her connection with banks and wall street, her corruption, her criminal acts, her foundations connections with foreign governments, her health, and so on.

The serious matter is that we're about the elect the oldest President in US history and health is all of the sudden an "off limits sexist right-wing conspiracy" issue despite it being a serious well investigated part of every Presidential election in modern history.

[alexw]

They just tried to call Pepe the frog a white supremacist not even knowing that this meme is very popular amongst black ppl aswell ( go to worldstarhiphop and you can see) , the leftists are so desperate, they are evil manipulating hypocrites disgusting creatures

Clinton is correct. In the context of this election Pepe the frog is a mascot used by white supremacists, Neo-Nazi's and other assorted alt-right trash. This is why you see it used so much in connection with Trump, because Trump is the candidate of choice of this human trash. They are basically claiming him as theirs and doing so in a way that outsiders to their beliefs/group don't recognize. Its like the crips whistle, or certain gang tattoo's. To most its just a whistle or it just looks like a cool tattoo. To true believers and insiders it says "he's one of us".

[Orlong]

No one denied coughing fits as some conspiracy. We all saw them. The campaign attributed them to her seasonal allergies, as noted by her doctor.

So what are you talking about? There are real conspiracies when it comes to her health. And they should be laughed at.

And any person who has suffered from allergies knows that excuse is bullshit. You dont hack away coughing all the time from an allergy with no other symptoms. When my seasonal allergies kick in, my eyes get puffy and watery, I sneeze a lot, and my nose itches and runs in addition to a cough. She showed no signs of allergies other than a cough during all of those coughing fits, and she should be taking meds like Zyrtec or Benedryl for allergies knowing that she has them. There is more to this cough than allergies

[LaserSharkDFB]

http://www.webmd.com/lung/understand...eumonia-basics

What Causes Pneumonia?

Usually the inflammation is caused by a bacterial infection, but it can also be caused by a virus, fungus, or parasite.

Many of these germs are all around us. They usually can't get past a healthy person's natural defenses. Pneumonia is most common in those with weaker or compromised immune systems, such as elderly people, cigarette smokers, alcoholics, and people suffering from other diseases such as the flu.


Please show me a 69-year-old that doesn't have health problems.

Well, the person Fargus was responding to was challenging the idea that Clinton has poor overall general health. If getting pneumonia may be considered not unusual for someone her age, why are we even having this discussion?

Also I hear Trump has tremendous health. Huge health. All tests are positive.

[phitness]

Clinton is correct. In the context of this election Pepe the frog is a mascot used by white supremacists, Neo-Nazi's and other assorted alt-right trash. This is why you see it used so much in connection with Trump, because Trump is the candidate of choice of this human trash. They are basically claiming him as theirs and doing so in a way that outsiders to their beliefs/group don't recognize. Its like the crips whistle, or certain gang tattoo's. To most its just a whistle or it just looks like a cool tattoo. To true believers and insiders it says "he's one of us".

Pretty sure Pepe the Frog isn't really some white supremacists thing but a meme from 4chan that trolls and race baiters use to stir up all the SJWs for the luls and everyone is playing right into it.

[-Nurot]

http://www.webmd.com/lung/understand...eumonia-basics

What Causes Pneumonia?

Usually the inflammation is caused by a bacterial infection, but it can also be caused by a virus, fungus, or parasite.

Many of these germs are all around us. They usually can't get past a healthy person's natural defenses. Pneumonia is most common in those with weaker or compromised immune systems, such as elderly people, cigarette smokers, alcoholics, and people suffering from other diseases such as the flu.


Please show me a 69-year-old that doesn't have health problems.

I agree with you and that includes Donald Trump. Pneumonia isn't going to take her out of the race like everyone is hoping. They're both generally healthy and this is a non-issue. Chances are she'll recover fully, but yes they are both 69 and that's just a risk you run.

He's overweight and being male, has very real odds of having a heart attack or stroke at that age. Either of them could get into office and die from health issues.

18% of our presidents have died in office, 9% of which from natural causes. Unless she shows further declined and is found to have a terminal illness this entire conversation is just another distraction.

[TZucchini]

No, I'm not.

Let's recap.

I said: "pneumonia is not a sign of overall poor general health."

You said: "Well yes, it generally is."

The Doctor Said: "Someone acquiring pneumonia does not in any way imply that they have an underlying health condition...It can affect an otherwise perfectly healthy individual”


So again. You're wrong. Objectively.

[zenkai]

I agree with you and that includes Donald Trump. Pneumonia isn't going to take her out of the race like everyone is hoping. They're both generally healthy and this is a non-issue. Chances are she'll recover fully, but yes they are both 69 and that's just a risk you run.

He's overweight and being male, has very real odds of having a heart attack or stroke at that age. Either of them could get into office and die from health issues.

18% of our presidents have died in office, 9% of which from natural causes. Unless she shows further declined and is found to have a terminal illness this entire conversation is just another distraction.

Yeah, I 100% agree with you on these points as well.

[Orlong]

I agree with you and that includes Donald Trump. Pneumonia isn't going to take her out of the race like everyone is hoping. They're both generally healthy and this is a non-issue. Chances are she'll recover fully, but yes they are both 69 and that's just a risk you run.

He's overweight and being male, has very real odds of having a heart attack or stroke at that age. Either of them could get into office and die from health issues.

18% of our presidents have died in office, 9% of which from natural causes. Unless she shows further declined and is found to have a terminal illness this entire conversation is just another distraction.

What planet are you from where Donald Trump would be considered overweight or obese????? Apparently if you dont look like a skeleton youre overweight

[zenkai]

Let's recap.

I said: "pneumonia is not a sign of overall poor general health."

You said: "Well yes, it generally is."

The Doctor Said: "Someone acquiring pneumonia does not in any way imply that they have an underlying health condition...It can affect an otherwise perfectly healthy individual”


So again. You're wrong. Objectively.

Being elderly is a sign or overall poor general health.

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What planet are you from where Donald Trump would be considered overweight or obese????? Apparently if you dont look like a skeleton youre overweight

He didn't say obese, he said over weight, there is a difference and he is overweight.

[alexw]

Pretty sure Pepe the Frog isn't really some white supremacists thing but a meme from 4chan that trolls and race baiters use to stir up all the SJWs for the luls and everyone is playing right into it.

And you'd be wrong.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016...-white-n646431

[-Nurot]

What planet are you from where Donald Trump would be considered overweight or obese????? Apparently if you dont look like a skeleton youre overweight

From the shape of his face, he appears to be carrying a few extra pounds. Maybe just facial sagging from old age instead, I don't know, but either way, we've seen what he eats (taco bowls, KFC). ANY man at that age has a very real risk of heart attack/stroke and to combine that with unhealthy eating and the fact that he doesn't believe in exercise, and that's a deadly combination eventually.

But again, I reiterate talking about health issues on either candidate, is just distracting from the real conversations.

[phitness]

And you'd be wrong.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016...-white-n646431

From the article you linked so you have no reason to be this ignorant.

"Pepe the Frog is a huge favorite white supremacist meme,"

So in recap it's a meme from internet trolls that pretend to be white supremacists to rile up the SJWs for the luls and it's doing a great job.

[Fargus]

Let's recap.

I said: "pneumonia is not a sign of overall poor general health."

You said: "Well yes, it generally is."

The Doctor Said: "Someone acquiring pneumonia does not in any way imply that they have an underlying health condition...It can affect an otherwise perfectly healthy individual”


So again. You're wrong. Objectively.

Try reading the whole thing instead of selectively quoting what I said out of context. I clearly mentioned a poor immune system as a prerequisite. Your own source even backs me up on that. If I am wrong, then so is that doctor. So cut the nonsense - weakened immune systems make it easier to get pneumonia. If you're going to argue that having a poor immune system is not a relevant issue, then you are an idiot and a waste of time.

[TZucchini]

Being elderly is a sign or overall poor general health.

Um, no. It's not.

And I wouldn't classify a 68 year old individual as "elderly".