Democratic Election 2016 - Hillary Clinton Megathread [OFFICIAL]

[Wells]

I have typically stayed out of this thread but this crap is beyond false, it is outright lying.

If you had noticed, he was sabotaged by the DNC, the Media and the Clinton campaign working to marginalize him. The leaks even confirmed it.

Must have missed the throwing out all those votes Sanders go so that more people ended up voting for Clinton instead.

[NED funded]

That's because he was sabotaged by Hillary.

No he lost because he was incompetent.

Quick google search:

https://twitter.com/AlGiordano/statu...95962928984064

In April, Sanders spent $16 million. After losing in the Northeast, he only spend $1.3 million in May and $275k in June, while keeping $8 million on hand.

His supporters should be furious at this shit, because he was promising he was competitive in CA, whereas reality shows otherwise. And OTM is a shady as fuck company.

And lucky him, because he has a terrible track record, worse than Hillary's.

Sanders on foreign policy:

• Sanders voted in favor of bombing Yugoslavia in the Kosovo conflict.
  https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bil...sconres21/text
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8S19u91Dfs
  
• Sanders voted in favor of the 2001 Authorization Unilateral Military Force Against Terrorists (AUMF), which gave GW Bush free reign to wage war
  essentially wherever he saw fit. This bill means that Sanders voted for the war in Afghanistan.
• Although Sanders opposed the Iraq war, he voted in favor of the Iraq Liberation Act in 1998, which called for an overthrow of Saddam Hussein.
• Sanders reaffirmed this call for regime change with a second piece of legislation calling for the removal of Saddam Hussein. So Sanders actually supported conflict in Iraq -- twice.
  https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/105/hr4655/text
  
• Sanders voted in favor of troops in Somalia
  https://www.congress.gov/bill/103rd-...-resolution/45
• Sanders co sponsored the 2011 resolution for regime change in Libya
  https://www.congress.gov/bill/112th-.../85/cosponsors
• Sanders supported Israel’s actions toward Palestine in 2014
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf2cCdgwgoM
• Sanders supports the use of drones and a US ground presence in Syria.
  http://www.nbcnews.com/video/bernie-...r-542522435844
  http://thehill.com/policy/defense/27...ria-deployment

More scandals

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...nie-sanders-u/
http://freebeacon.com/politics/berni...ippie-commune/
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...ollege/482973/
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...f-fidel-castro
http://www.politicade.com/confirmed-...trip-to-italy/

[Daerio]

Must have missed the throwing out all those votes Sanders go so that more people ended up voting for Clinton instead.

Try watching testimonials from the primary audits where they had to erase Sanders votes and add Clinton votes to match the official tally. Pretty sure that's evidence that speaks directly to your claim here. Of course the only evidence available is testimonials because filming the audits are not allowed. Now why would that be the case? It's not hard for any intelligent person to figure that out.

[Wells]

I mean come on. I liked Sanders. I would have preferred him to Clinton. But he basically pulled the same dumb shit every third party does, which is not having a god damn clue how to run an actual campaign.

[Fugus]

Must have missed the throwing out all those votes Sanders go so that more people ended up voting for Clinton instead.

Not sure what you are talking about. I missed a bunch of stuff over the summer break with the kids out of school and recently due to the hurricane knocking out my power for a few days, my internet for a few more and family coming up from Florida due to a mandatory evacuation.

Mind refreshing me on it?

[Wells]

Try watching testimonials from the primary audits where they had to erase Sanders votes and add Clinton votes to match the official tally. Pretty sure that's evidence that speaks directly to your claim here. Of course the only evidence available is testimonials because filming the audits are not allowed. Now why would that be the case? It's not hard for any intelligent person to figure that out.

You have a credible link?

Clinton won by like 3 million votes by the way.

[Fugus]

They had a huge deal in Ca where independents which were a huge block of Sanders voters were intentionally given the wrong ballots and denied the ability to vote for President which killed Sanders votes in Ca.

[Fasc]

There was another article that said that he was notified before but only briefed on it this week.

Briefings matter so that honestly still doesn't surprise me whatsoever. Being told in the hallway "Hey I think we might have found something while we were looking through Weiner's dick pics" is different from an official briefing that discusses what is known, unknown, and what needs to be done to move forward officially. I don't pretend to know the day-to-day duties of an FBI Director but I doubt he's twiddling his thumbs waiting on new Hillary info to surface, so this was likely scheduled like anything else.

Also for an interesting perspective that squares the otherwise incongruity between July Comey and October Comey: https://www.emptywheel.net/2016/10/3...omey-whiplash/

[Wells]

They had a huge deal in Ca where independents which were a huge block of Sanders voters were intentionally given the wrong ballots and denied the ability to vote for President which killed Sanders votes in Ca.

https://ballotpedia.org/Verbatim_fac...ing_by_mail%3F

William Simpich, an Oakland attorney and Bernie Sanders supporter, claims election official have provided “inconsistent” information and in some instances “bad” instructions to No Party Preference voters seeking crossover ballots to vote for a presidential candidate in the upcoming California primary. After examining published accounts of incorrect information provided to NPP voters and interviewing a voting expert in California, we conclude that Simpich is correct.

This isn't a conspiracy. This is just the general messy shit fit that every primary season is. And you know what candidates do to counter this kind of messiness? Run a competent fucking campaign.

[NED funded]

More proof of Sanders incompetence:

Sanders made a Super PAC and everyone quit

[Merkava]

There was another article that said that he was notified before but only briefed on it this week.

Ah ok. Thanks. Where was that reported? I was wondering since it said Comey was briefed this week. I find it a little hard to believe that they would tell him this, but then wait 3 weeks to brief him? That seems strange.

[Deleted]

Clinton won by like 3 million votes by the way.

One has to wonder, though, how many of those 3 million voters were swayed by propaganda, from actually wanting to go with a non- warhawk corporate sellout candidate, who actually might care for the people he's serving as the President, to being too scared to do so because of a "well, he's not going to win anyway according to the media" -mindset.

Wonder how things would be over there if people were allowed to, and had the guts to vote for the candidate they really want to vote for, and not be bullied and pressured into voting for someone else's candidate.

[Piglord]

Comey comes across as a guy that's doing everything he can to keep his job, but instead of trying to appeal neutral and gain favor to both sides he is pissing them both off.

[Gray_Matter]

she didnt even answer any questions she waved and walked off instantly.

That's irrelevant. You asked if she had done a press conference. She answers questions on her plane all of the time and then people complained that it's not really a press conference. So she held press conferences. In this case, she held a press conference but didn't take questions. She is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't.

[Wells]

One has to wonder, though, how many of those 3 million voters were swayed by propaganda, from actually wanting to go with a non- warhawk corporate sellout candidate, who actually might care for the people he's serving as the President, to being too scared to do so because of a "well, he's not going to win anyway according to the media" -mindset.

*mimes jerk off motion*

Wonder how things would be over there if people were allowed to, and had the guts to vote for the candidate they really want to vote for, and not be bullied and pressured into voting for someone else's candidate.

Poor Sanders supporters, forced to vote for the candidate they didn't want.

[Garnier Fructis]

They had a huge deal in Ca where independents which were a huge block of Sanders voters were intentionally given the wrong ballots and denied the ability to vote for President which killed Sanders votes in Ca.

The problem is that the independents themselves didn't know that they needed to request crossover ballots to vote for candidates in one primary or the other. They were given the correct ballots. It's just not what they expected it to be.

And I've said this before in another thread (and in another context), but in California all you have to do is re-register as a different party 15 days before an election, which takes all of ~5-10 minutes online.

They had multiple chances to make sure they got the ballot they wanted, and when they got the ballot they're supposed to get, they got mad. That's largely their own incompetence.

I question how many morons actually let this happen to them, actually.

[Deleted]

*mimes jerk off motion*

So, I guess I hit a nerve, then. In any case, use words if you've got the courage to.

Poor Sanders supporters, forced to vote for the candidate they didn't want.

Forced? Pretty damn close to, but no. Bullied and pressured to? Every single day.

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FBI Obtains Warrant Needed to Start Reviewing Emails Found on Laptop Used by Clinton Aide

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fbi-o...ry?id=43179164
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016...ccuses-n675411
https://twitter.com/jeffpeguescbs

lel

[Wells]

So, I guess I hit a nerve, then.

No, I just find people who bitch about propaganda while whining about how warhawk corporate sellout candidates were intimidating people out of voting to be incredibly tedious.

Forced? Pretty damn close to, but no. Bullied and pressured to? Every single day.

I'm not particularly sorry that you couldn't handle the buffeting of contrary winds that is an election.

[Gray_Matter]

Briefings matter so that honestly still doesn't surprise me whatsoever. Being told in the hallway "Hey I think we might have found something while we were looking through Weiner's dick pics" is different from an official briefing that discusses what is known, unknown, and what needs to be done to move forward officially. I don't pretend to know the day-to-day duties of an FBI Director but I doubt he's twiddling his thumbs waiting on new Hillary info to surface, so this was likely scheduled like anything else.

Also for an interesting perspective that squares the otherwise incongruity between July Comey and October Comey: https://www.emptywheel.net/2016/10/3...omey-whiplash/

I agree that briefings matter but so do facts. Right now, they don't officially know what's in the emails, just that they are related. They need a court order before they can officially look at them. So the only thing Comey should know is that they are related which would be the same as what he would have been told in the hallway.

The point now is that he was worried about it leaking out but it hasn't leaked in the weeks. So why is it more of an issue now? All of that is irrelevant, though, because he announced that there was information in a very ambiguous way. It's questionable whether he should have announced it in the first place but if you cross that bridge when why did is say things like "might contain"? He could have said "might or might not contain" or even "There is no information that any of this is relevant". His ambiguity is why the GOP have jumped all over this.