Democratic Election 2016 - Hillary Clinton Megathread [OFFICIAL]

[Edge-]

I think theres too much noise being made on both sides its starting to get murky.

Starting? It's been murky from the get-go because the right has been trying to make routine correspondence look like maniacal plots, and folks that have no understanding of how campaigns and media work behind the scenes view regular communications as proof of collusion and bias.

It's been murky from the start because folks going after Hillary have been actively making it that way. The amount of misinformation that's been spewed by them has essentially, to use an analogy, peed in the data pool to the point where it's hard to tell where the pee ends and the water begins.

I'll admit I'm looking/waiting for the smoking gun and that I don't trust most politicians already.

But you keep posting about how X or Y is a bombshell...despite them never being such. Your distrust of politicians is fine, I think a lot of people have serious trust issues with their elected representatives across the board. But that doesn't mean that one should reject reality as a result of it.

You can dismiss this email, it maybe be nothing. Its another day, another scandal.

It's not a scandal, that's the point. That anti-Hillary folks have been making a career of trying to turn mistakes, routine behavior, and flubs into scandals and conspiracies. Benghazi is the best fucking example of this, for fucks sake. How many investigations did we have? And how many turned up exactly zero new evidence or information that wasn't already known?

Everything that is happening you can connect the dots, yes it takes jumps.

See, that's the issue, you shouldn't need to make a single "jump" if the dots are all there. The fact that jumps are needed is because there are tons of "dots" missing and people are filling them in with what they want rather than accepting that fact.

Anyway I'm done for now, gona wait for evidence that cant be spun.

Right on, that's what I'm doing with Hillary. As of now, I've seen no damning evidence, and most of what Trump folks have brought up is making a mountain out of a grain of sand. If anything truly damning comes out, so be it, I'll adjust my opinions on the issue(s) accordingly with the new information. But until then, I'll keep on going as usual, dismissing the BS "smoking gun" claims as they come in.

Sorry 9th highest contributor! I'm talking about personal contributions. Time Warner Owns CNN. Time Warner is Hillary's 9th largest donator.

https://www.opensecrets.org/politici...9&cycle=Career

Yep, this is why the left has been pushing for campaign finance reform for a while and why Citizens United, which was lauded by the right, has been a central point of contention for Democratic supporters for years. Funny how that works.

Because as of now, according to the SCOTUS, that's simply Time Warner exercising their First Amendment rights as a corporation (which is a person!). It's all perfectly legal.

[fratpartybro]

That is in every way a breach of your role as a moderator. You cannot be impartial when you are not just so heavily invested in the debate, but are also so heavily invested for one particular side in the debate. And even just the appearance of being incapable of being impartial is poisonous to the idea that the moderation is fair.

You have no business being a moderator.

hey remember liberals are OK with intervening and being partial. The same kind of reasoning used when Donna Brazile worked for CNN and DNC and was giving Hillary Clinton debate questions. Or when the DNC colluded with Hillary against sanders.

[RobertoCarlos]

hey remember liberals are OK with intervening and being partial. The same kind of reasoning used when Donna Brazile worked for CNN and DNC and was giving Hillary Clinton debate questions. Or when the DNC colluded with Hillary against sanders.

"Don't you prosecute me I am a christian woman" Donna Brazile - 2016

[Captain N]

Will shit man, you better call the FBI and tell them of your "evidence that cant be spun". Or get together with the 5-6 other posters in here who know the "truth". I mean she did "something" after all.

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I voted for Sanders. He got beat by what, 3 million pus votes? I doubt Hilary knowing some debate questions changed anything. But if you want to blow that out of proportion knock yourself out.

Unspun Evidence with Roberto Carlos is brought to you in part by Reynolds Aluminum Foil. I don't think you could get that in a prime slot...maybe something around 2am in between the Viagra and WaxVac informercials.

[fratpartybro]

Will shit man, you better call the FBI and tell them of your "evidence that cant be spun". Or get together with the 5-6 other posters in here who know the "truth". I mean she did "something" after all.

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I voted for Sanders. He got beat by what, 3 million pus votes? I doubt Hilary knowing some debate questions changed anything. But if you want to blow that out of proportion knock yourself out.

It wasn't just debate questions. DNC aides and officials were aiding Clinton the entire election. Remember the whole head of the DNC debbie wasserman Schultz incident? She lost her job due to helping Clinton out vs sanders instead of being a DNC moderator. debbie wasserman Schultz got all the superdelagates to go Clinton as well. Corruption

[RobertoCarlos]

Unspun Evidence with Roberto Carlos is brought to you in part by Reynolds Aluminum Foil. I don't think you could get that in a prime slot...maybe something around 2am in between the Viagra and WaxVac informercials.

Yeah sorry for not waiting for CNN to report it. Its almost like we can trust the FBI/DoJ to do complete and fair investigation and avoid a mess like this.

[Captain N]

Yeah sorry for not waiting for CNN to report it. Its almost like we can trust the FBI/DoJ to do complete and fair investigation and avoid a mess like this.

Well at least you've been pretty consistent in dismissing any evidence that doesn't fit your bias. I mean when you make comments like the FBI and the DOJ are all just conspiring for Clinton without any actual evidence to back up your claim it's incredibly difficult to picture your avatar without his tin foil crown.

[RobertoCarlos]

Well at least you've been pretty consistent in dismissing any evidence that doesn't fit your bias. I mean when you make comments like the FBI and the DOJ are all just conspiring for Clinton without any actual evidence to back up your claim it's incredibly difficult to picture your avatar without his tin foil crown.

You probably don't even know who it is in my avatar. So picture away.


Yeah that 40min chat Bill and Loretta had, must have given her some great tips on her golf swing. Which is surprising they have time for golf but whatever

[fratpartybro]

Well at least you've been pretty consistent in dismissing any evidence that doesn't fit your bias. I mean when you make comments like the FBI and the DOJ are all just conspiring for Clinton without any actual evidence to back up your claim it's incredibly difficult to picture your avatar without his tin foil crown.

Here's an email the Assistant US attorney general aka DoJ sent to Podesta during the investigation. He was sending insider info to the Clinton camp which is strictly forbidden. Peter Kadzik is the assistant attorney general of the DoJ and he has donated to Clintons before. Obvious conflict of interest. How can the person in charge of Hillarys investigation be someone who's donated to her before lol????

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/43150

[RobertoCarlos]

What does CNN have to do with you? Be better.

Google donna brazile sometime.

[Captain N]

You probably don't even know who it is in my avatar. So picture away.

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Yeah that 40min chat Bill and Loretta had, must have given her some great tips on her golf swing. Which is surprising they have time for golf but whatever

Jose Mourinho -- My first wife was a big fan of his. He's managing Manchester United now, right?

I mean if you have evidence that they talked about anything other than a chat by all means please provide it. You don't just get to toss accusations around without evidence.

[fratpartybro]

Also FBI has been releasing info on Clinton on twitter! She is done

https://twitter.com/FBIRecordsVault/...37192392679428

[RobertoCarlos]

Jose Mourinho -- My first wife was a big fan of his. He's managing Manchester United now, right?

I mean if you have evidence that they talked about anything other than a chat by all means please provide it. You don't just get to toss accusations around without evidence.

Correct.

yeah sadly I'm not a fly on the wall in a private plane. I can only use my brain and assume they werent talking about golf like they claim. Does she even play golf?

[RobertoCarlos]

Twitter will get her!

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You know what they say about people who assume right?

Nice sound bite. Come back when you have more than just attacking me personally.

[Endus]

Here's an email the Assistant US attorney general aka DoJ sent to Podesta during the investigation. He was sending insider info to the Clinton camp which is strictly forbidden. Peter Kadzik is the assistant attorney general of the DoJ and he has donated to Clintons before. Obvious conflict of interest. How can the person in charge of Hillarys investigation be someone who's donated to her before lol????

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/43150

None of that was classified information that couldn't be given out, in the first place. So no, there was nothing "forbidden" about giving a heads-up about publicly-known hearings that Clinton wasn't involved in.

[RobertoCarlos]

I dunno who his avatar is, but I like to imagine I'm talking to the guy it pictures when talking to him. It goes well with his personality for some reason. Even with his hand being up, kinda like he's just waving away all logic thrown in his direction. I at least appreciate that he's more well mannered than some of these other posters constantly smearing Clinton.

Lol yes I can see how it would be easy to draw on that conclusion.

[May90]

I wonder what these people will say when this investigation fails to find anything criminal as well. Will there be more talk about the FBI being sell-outs?

[Zandalarian Paladin]

Nice sound bite. Come back when you have more than just attacking me personally.

On every single thread I had the displeasure of speaking with Packers01, his comments were mostly void of arguments and filled with innuendos and insults. Not attacking him or anything, I'm sure the person is great. I just never had a positive exchange of opinions with him.

On the other hand - speaking of facts - even CNN reported that the fact that the DoJ communicating outside the regular junctions through outside e-mail servers is illegal in itself and that there's a clear ethical conflict of interest.

When CNN says that, you know the wind is changing.

[RobertoCarlos]

On every single thread I had the displeasure of speaking with Packers01, his comments were mostly void of arguments and filled with innuendos and insults. Not attacking him or anything, I'm sure the person is great. I just never had a positive exchange of opinions with him.

On the other hand - speaking of facts - even CNN reported that the fact that the DoJ communicating outside the regular junctions through outside e-mail servers is illegal in itself and that there's a clear ethical conflict of interest.

When CNN says that, you know the wind is changing.

Yeah getting that vibe.

CNN shot themselves in the foot with donna brazile. They cant be as seen to be left partisan now (at least till this blows over and a new giant scandal emerges)

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I wonder what these people will say when this investigation fails to find anything criminal as well. Will there be more talk about the FBI being sell-outs?

My personal feelings are that Comeys conscience got the better of him and he was hogtied by Loretta in the DoJ so he wrote the letter to force through a warrant/attention.

[fratpartybro]

CNN is a garbage company who's viewership and profits have been utterly collapsing. They were giving Hillary questions to debates ahead of time as well as biased news against Sanders.