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    Catalonia's Parliament, disobeying constitutional court, votes "disconnection" plan.

    They just held a very heated debate that ended up with 36 MPs leaving the hemicycle considering the vote was illegal.
    The vote passed (the group JxSí and CUP hold absolute majority).

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...cratic-mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by theguardian
    In defiance of Spain’s constitutional court separatists hold controversial vote approving unilateral disconnection plan

    The separatist movement in Catalonia’s parliament has escalated its battle with Madrid after it defied Spain’s constitutional court by debating a controversial pro-independence roadmap, and the region’s president announced a confidence vote to consolidate the move towards sovereignty.

    The angry, last-minute debate – in which the pro-independence Together for Yes coalition and the smaller, far-left Popular Unity Candidacy secured approval for the unilateral disconnection plan by 72 votes to 11 – represents another open challenge to the Spanish judiciary and to Spain’s acting prime minister, Mariano Rajoy.

    It also provoked a furious reaction in the Catalan parliament from Ciudadanos and Popular party MPs who left the chamber rather than take part in a vote they described as “illegal” and flagrantly undemocratic. One Ciudadanos MP accused the separatist faction of “wanting to take us not only out of Spain and the EU, but out of the 21st century and modern democracy”.

    However, the president of the Catalan parliament, Together for Yes’s Carme Forcadell, insisted the parliament was exercising its sovereign rights.


    Earlier on Wednesday, the pro-separatist Catalan president, Carles Puigdemont, said a confidence vote would be held in parliament on 28 September to help bring the region to “the gates of independence”.

    Last November, the Catalan parliament voted to begin the process of breaking away from Spain after separatist MPs used their majority to pass legislation to effect a “disconnection from the Spanish state” and pave the way for an independent Catalan state.

    Spain’s constitutional court responded by unanimously ruling that the legislation had ignored and infringed the rules of the 1978 constitution, adding that the “principle of democracy cannot be considered to be separate from the unconditional primacy of the constitution”.


    The issue of Catalan independence remains bitterly divisive in both Spain and within the region itself. A recent poll suggested that 47.7% of Catalans are in favour of separating from Spain, while 42.4% were against it, with 8.3% undecided.


    In an interview with the Guardian in the run-up to the vote, Forcadell and Raül Romeva, the Catalan foreign affairs minister, said Madrid’s failure to engage with the independence debate had left the government with no choice but to forge its own separatist path.

    Romeva said the Spanish government had two options: accept the reality of Catalan independence or “carry on doing what it’s been doing, which is denying that reality in the belief that it can use the constitutional court and legal processes to stop it”, he said.

    Although the Spanish state is implacably opposed to Catalonia’s secession, with Rajoy having vowed to use “all political and judicial mechanisms in defence of the common good and the sovereignty of Spain as laid down in the constitution,” Romeva insists that Madrid has a democratic responsibility to accept the will of the majority of Catalans.

    “The Spanish government uses the question of legality a lot,” he said. “But legality is an instrument; it needs to adapt to reality and to democratic will, and not the other way round. People around the world need to understand that what we’re doing is fundamentally legitimate and is not illegal.

    “I’m being very careful with my words: it’s legitimate and it’s not illegal. It’s true that the [Spanish] constitution says what it says. But constitutions are texts that exist to serve a particular moment in history and certain circumstances.

    Romeva then hinted that even if the Spanish courts ruled against independence, it would not prevent the push for secession.

    “Brexit isn’t good news for Europe or for Catalonia,” Romeva said. “It’s worrying, because it calls the European project into question. It feeds the frustration that Europe is in crisis. From that point of view, it isn’t good news. But that said, when there is a situation of conflict, democracy is the tool you use.

    “In Catalan logic, yes, we don’t like Brexit, but we understand that the democratic deficit in Europe is what allowed leave to win. A process of negotiation has begun: it’s not the end of the world and it’s not paradise.”

    He also shrugged off the idea that an independent Catalonia might find itself outside the EU.

    “We have hundreds of European companies in Catalonia. The question is: if Catalonia became an independent state, in whose interests would it be for Catalonia to be out of the EU? Not Catalonia’s. Not Spain’s either,” Romeva said.

    El País (Spanish) has video of the MPs leaving.
    EL Mundo (Spanish) has interventions by several MPs.
    Last edited by nextormento; 2016-07-27 at 06:31 PM.

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    send the military to arrest them, the constitution is just a text so it can be ignored even when it protect them.
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    Obviously this issue doesn't affect me however unlike some raiders I don't see the point in taking satisfaction in this injustice, it's wrong, just because it doesn't hurt me doesn't stop it being wrong, the player base should stand together when Blizzard do stupid shit like this not laugh at the ones being victimised.

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    No constitution can prevent a nation from self-define and independence. Only the population can decide what country they associate themselves with.

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