If you are working for a dead end company, it is YOUR responsibility to either find a new employer that will value your education and experience, or find a way to succeed in your job. It shouldn't be your employers job to hold your hand to success.
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Pretty much, that's what some of these "15 an hour or bust" advocates don't understand, that they will be pricing small business out of the labor market. The only employers that will be left will be the mega corporations that can absorb the costs because of economies of scale, after which they can manipulate things like work hours to make up the difference.
Than we get the argument of "well gee golly Tony, they will just spend those new dollars at those mom and pops and keep them in business".
No, just no.
I mean seriously, lets look at how Wal-Mart got so big.....by selling products for a lower cost that what mom and pops could. Even if lil johnny working at Celistras Electronics gets that large wage, what is going to compel them to spend that money at those small businesses. If I can go to wally world and buy a new Sony 70inch TV for 1k or Celestras for 1200, guess where im going.
Then we can continue hurtling towards entropy. We're trying to grasp at ever-lasting life and it simply doesn't work that way, everything falls apart at some point, nothing last forever, etc. The best system is the one that understands this and adapts to it rather than FORCING it to go exactly as we want because lord forbid our high-standards get shattered.
Not to mention, the very control of government you're advocating for, is why we're facing this uphill battle to begin with. As it grows and intermingles with market forces it'll become that much more corrupt and a greater extension of the market's strongest rather than an inhibitor. That's why I'd like to see it relegated to a mitigator versus a regulator. Where its sole purpose(when we're not discussing the court system) within the market is to prevent power from centralizing too much. An agile steward of sorts for fairness rather than some micro-manipulating behemoth that gets lost within its own sheer mass.
I just don't get how we honestly came to believe that we could forever maintain a grossly bloated, materially based system forever. I always thought of the American people as more sensible than that. Things ebb-and-flow. Sometimes they're rough, other times they're good. The best economy is the one that can go with the flow and make the most of any situation. Otherwise you end up with HUGE crescendos and backbreaking descents and that's why we get so terrified of any decline, ironically only setting the table for it to occur in the first place with our immense appetites.
That's probably why we can't address the centralization of wealth within this country in the first place. We're too greedy ourselves to take chances and really shake up the system.
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After a while, the workload is too much. Yet maybe the company is not big enough to pay out the nose. I mean, I'm not suggesting they should be able to pay slave wages. But demanding $15/hour or something along those lines from a company trying to get started is a little unreasonable.
$15/hour in some cities isn't even a living wage. Minimum wage is basically a slave wage depending on the state/area...
Paid employment is not a charity. It's not the employee's job to give their employer a break by taking a low pay; employers running a business should know better than to ask employees to subsidize their pay because they can't manage overhead, sales, marketing correctly. Do you think these companies necessarily compensate their employees when cash flow is positive and they're generating profits? Nah.
Depends on what you mean by massive.
https://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/rele...3-percent.htmlIf the minimum wage were increased to $15 an hour, prices at fast food restaurants would rise by an estimated 4.3 percent, according to a new study. That would mean a McDonald’s Big Mac, which currently goes for $3.99, would cost about 17 cents more, or $4.16.
https://thinkprogress.org/this-is-ho...273#.7onue3ig8
I would like to see two tax penalties and breaks created. A tax penalty for property owners who rent homes at high rates based on the average salary of a given area. I would like to see business receive a tax penalty based on their wages compared with the average rental costs of the given area. Property owners and businesses would receive tax breaks for renting their property at lower rates based on the salary average of the area. Business would receive a tax break for paying wages that were higher based on the average cost to rent of an area.
$15/hour is a pretty poor wage. That's just over $30k/year. That's working-class, not even into lower-middle-class. Can we stop pretending that $15/hour is tons of money?
Hell, when I get a TA position at my university, based on the expected 10 hours/week, it works out to something like $26/hour.
The world isn't overpopulated. Cities maybe, but the world? Hardly. Plenty of land not being utilized that people could live quite comfortably on. Who needs population density? People are too close together imho.
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15$ an hour where i live is enough to raise a family on.
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You ALWAYS have the option to improve your lot in life. If you want something bad enough, you'll find a way. If not, you'll find an excuse.
Most estimates of how much your rent should be is around 30% of your net income, after taxes. Going with this calculator; http://www.rentlingo.com/how-much-rent-can-i-afford
That's about $850/mo for rent.
To "raise a family" on that, you're paying for at least two adults and a child, so you're going to need at least a 2-bedroom apartment below that price range. A quick check of some local listings here (well outside Toronto), and I can't see any under $950. Heck, there's ads on Kijiji for people looking for roomates in a 2br, askigng $700+.
Maybe you live in an unusually cheap area, but that's not a realistic expectation for most people.
I think this is a good thing for companies like Walmart who can easily afford the 15 dollar minimum wage while other competitors fold because they cannot. Walmart does thank you. They want the minimum wage raised.
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Maybe don't be a dumb ass and have a family on a minimum wage income? Nah, that's too much common sense. Let's put it on the backs of the middle class. We need to make it harder on them.
Nothing here would make anything "harder for the middle class". Also, I don't see how it's equitable to argue that working-class people shouldn't have families. That's just misanthropic, particularly when the alternative is "pay them a reasonable salary in the first place".
I have a blue collared job. I realized working at minimum wage wasn't going to work if I wanted a family so I started learning a trade. I worked my ass off in order to do so. Then again I have the mentality If you do not work you do not eat. You have the mentality if you do not work, pilfer it from someone who does, and is successful. Your mentality is why Jamestown in the early 1600's in America occurred.
And your mentality is why people in 2008 went from good jobs to the welfare lines. Congratulations you became a tradesman. Do you think that somehow makes you immune from job loss? Do you think that you could continue to do the same work if you sustained an injury? Perhaps your argument is people in low wage work are there because they chose to be in all cases? Or is it more likely that your trade wages are barely above that $15/hour that you feel threatened that someone else will be making more money and you believe yourself incapable of negotiating higher wages for yourself?