24 years ago today, Ruby Ridge happened

[Incredibale]

An incident involving entrapment by the Feds and the murder of Randy Weaver's wife and son.

[Orange Joe]

An incident involving entrapment by the Feds and the murder of Randy Weaver's wife and son.

And? any reason we should care?

(that it has been 24 years that is)

[Deleted]

I ate a typical German Dampfnudel today for the first time in my life. It was good.

[Deleted]

An incident involving entrapment by the Feds and the murder of Randy Weaver's wife and son.

This is an incident most people do not know off, including Americans.

Ruby Ridge was the site of a deadly confrontation and siege in northern Idaho in 1992 between Randy Weaver, his family, his friend Kevin Harris, and agents of the United States Marshals Service (USMS) and Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). The events resulted in the death of Weaver's son Sammy, his wife Vicki, and their dog (Striker) as well as Deputy U.S. Marshal William Francis Degan.

At the subsequent federal criminal trial of Weaver and Harris, Weaver's attorney Gerry Spence made accusations of "criminal wrongdoing" against every agency involved in the incident: the FBI, the USMS, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF), and the United States Attorney's Office (USAO) for Idaho. At the completion of the trial, the Department of Justice's Office of Professional Responsibility formed a Ruby Ridge Task Force to investigate Spence's charges. The 1994 task force report was released in redacted form by Lexis Counsel Connect, an information service for attorneys. It raised questions about the conduct and policy of all the agencies.

The Ruby Ridge incident and the 1993 Waco siege, involving many of the same agencies and even the same personnel, caused public outcry and fueled the widening of the militia movement. The incident was similar in some ways to the 1985 MOVE conflagration, in which police dropped bombs on a West Philadelphia house. To answer public questions about Ruby Ridge, the Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Government Information held a total of 14 days of hearings between September 6 and October 19, 1995, and subsequently issued a report calling for reforms in federal law enforcement to prevent a repeat of Ruby Ridge and to restore public confidence in federal law enforcement. Likewise, it became a motive, along with the Waco siege, of the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995.

but i also fail to see the point.

[urasim]

I slept in today. Was glorious.

[Kaleredar]

Well, 824 years ago on this day, Minamoto no Yoritomo become Seii Tai Shōgun and by extent the de facto ruler of Japan

This is fun. Are we going to do this every day?

[Sky High]

but i also fail to see the point.

that it caused federal agencies to clean their act up?

[Independent voter]

If Randy Weaver turned himself in, nothing would've happened. His family would still be alive, they didn't even send him to jail over the charges he was facing.

Don't bluff when you're dealing with the fed, they might take you seriously.

[Sykol]

19 years ago, Ruby Rhod happened.

[Reclaimer]

Well, 824 years ago on this day, Minamoto no Yoritomo become Seii Tai Shōgun and by extent the de facto ruler of Japan

This is fun. Are we going to do this every day?

what trolling someone? quite sure that is something you do everyday.

[urasim]

If Randy Weaver turned himself in, nothing would've happened. His family would still be alive, they didn't even send him to jail over the charges he was facing.

Don't bluff when you're dealing with the fed, they might take you seriously.

Victim blaming!

[BrerBear]

To answer public questions about Ruby Ridge, the Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Government Information held a total of 14 days of hearings between September 6 and October 19, 1995, and subsequently issued a report calling for reforms in federal law enforcement to prevent a repeat of Ruby Ridge and to restore public confidence in federal law enforcement. Likewise, it became a motive, along with the Waco siege, of the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995.

14 days?!
Boy that seems low. Should have been at least 8 committees spanning years by today's standards.

[GennGreymane]

http://www.onthisday.com/events/august/21

[Kaleredar]

what trolling someone? quite sure that is something you do everyday.

I'm sorry, who are you?


Anyway, what, exactly, is the point of this thread? The surviving Weaver members successfully sued the government for botching the situation.


So now when wackos do much more than the Weavers ever did and do things like hold up in federal property while brandishing weapons while using their women and children as effective shields, they get to take their sweet time.

[NineSpine]

I'm sorry, who are you?


Anyway, what, exactly, is the point of this thread? The surviving Weaver members successfully sued the government for botching the situation.


So now when wackos do much more than the Weavers ever did and do things like hold up in federal property while brandishing weapons while using their women and children as effective shields, they get to take their sweet time.

*when white wackos...

Fixed.

[s_bushido]

*when white wackos...

Fixed.

How is that relevant?

[NineSpine]

How is that relevant?

It's extremely relevant. The lasting effect of Ruby Ridge and Waco has been a culture of denial and and a hands-off attitude towards white nationalist groups, even when they get violent. These are rallying cries for white nationalist groups, who treat the anniversaries of these events as national days of mourning. Go to any white nationalist board on the internet right now and you'll see this issue being discussed right now.

[urasim]

It's extremely relevant. The lasting effect of Ruby Ridge and Waco has been a culture of denial and and a hands-off attitude towards white nationalist groups, even when they get violent. These are rallying cries for white nationalist groups, who treat the anniversaries of these events as national days of mourning. Go to any white nationalist board on the internet right now and you'll see this issue being discussed right now.

Anyone can be nationalists. Race has fuck all to do with this. Fucking race baiting bullshit.

[Sky High]

Waco more than Ruby Ridge, but whatever.

of course. and going back to the OP I'd have to wager Ninespine is right about this being some sort of memorial thing for right wing militias. given who the kind of poster the OP is..

[Deleted]

that it caused federal agencies to clean their act up?

Yes, the FBI shot like 200 people in 2015 - Apparently every single one a proper shooting according to the FBI - Much trust.