Colin Kaepernick: I won't stand 'to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses

[Wells]

Not really. It's just underhanded and wrong in general. You even just stated that the motivation wasn't based on race, but rather based on a want to win the election, yet are still using it as an example for it being racism.

I'd say that racism doesn't have to be intentional to be racism, any more than insult has to be intentional to be insult. Interesting tangent, but eh, off topic and not interesting enough.

[PC2]

If we treat people differently by race, which is an observably fact here, its racism.

You have not presented evidence that people are being treated different by race, thus it is not an observable fact. Differences in outcome is not inherently racist.

[Wells]

Black people commit murder at a rate of 6 times higher than non-blacks.

Why do you think that is?

[dark666105]

So being an outgroup individual in another country would then automatically make that country racist because they don't treat you like a native?

[Wells]

You have not presented evidence that people are being treated different by race, thus it is not an observable fact. Differences in outcome is not inherently racist.

I know you've seen the data. You seem to be under some delusion that intent modifies the data.

[dark666105]

Why do you think that is?

Lack of good male role models? At least I would say that is part of it.

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I know you've seen the data. You seem to be under some delusion that intent modifies the data.

Intent modifies the motive you are assigning the law officers doing the arresting.

[LordAmbrosia]

Couldn't give a fuck less if he sits down during an Anthem. I don't know why this is a story. I am so sick of hearing about this kind of shit.

[Wells]

Lack of good male role models? At least I would say that is part of it.

Isn't that just trying to explain one moral failing with another? Its not getting to any root cause.

[PC2]

I know you've seen the data. You seem to be under some delusion that intent modifies the data.

Different outcome data does not equal being treated differently by the law. That is something you have to prove for each data set.

[provaporous]

Nothign i can say hasn't already been said about his hypocrisy.

There is no systemic racism in america, only facts that are twisted to look racist. yes, african are arrested more than other races, because African americans commit more crimes than other races, most likely becasue lower income peoples commit more crimes (and guess what demographic makes up the low income tier?) The article is garbage, it mentions Chicago, of all places, as somewhere where they want to make an example. CHICAGO HAS SOME OF THE TOUGHEST GUN CONTROL LAWS IN THE NATION( outside of DC) and has been in firm Democratic control. Now unless they are suggesting that Democratic policies actually keep minorities down(which i believe they do through welfare ) they need to find a better cause.

[Spunt]

Why do you think that is?

Because they have a culture that promotes and glorifies violence, not because racism.

[dark666105]

Isn't that just trying to explain one moral failing with another? Its not getting to any root cause.

Well I would say the fatherless homes are just part of the root cause. It is a fairly large factor in creating the poor community and fostering gangs.

Lately lack of personal responsibility for ones circumstances seems to be a factor as well. That goes for any poor community irregardless of race.

[oplawlz]

Why do you think that is?

Because they embrace a culture which encourages violence, and anyone who suggests they should stop is called a racist.

[Wells]

Neither is saying everything is racist lol.

You're really not up to the task of avoiding this silly sniping are you?

Because they have a culture that promotes and glorifies violence, not because racism.

Even assuming this is true, which I think is mostly based on silly racial stereotypes and biased interpretation, I'd refer you to my above statement. You're just trying to explain one more failing with another, without a root cause being given. Basically just kicking the can down the road.

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Well I would say the fatherless homes are just part of the root cause. It is a fairly large factor in creating the poor community and fostering gangs.

What do you think drives the fatherlessness?

[dark666105]

You're really not up to the task of avoiding this silly sniping are you?


Even assuming this is true, which I think is mostly based on silly racial stereotypes and biased interpretation, I'd refer you to my above statement. You're just trying to explain one more failing with another, without a root cause being given. Basically just kicking the can down the road.

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What do you think drives the fatherlessness?

Probably a number of factors based on each case, though again lack of personal responsibility for ones own circumstances is a large one for poor communities.

[Spunt]

You're really not up to the task of avoiding this silly sniping are you?


Even assuming this is true, which I think is mostly based on silly racial stereotypes and biased interpretation, I'd refer you to my above statement. You're just trying to explain one more failing with another, without a root cause being given. Basically just kicking the can down the road.

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What do you think drives the fatherlessness?

Why do you think Black people commit murder at a much higher rate?

[Wells]

Poverty.

/10char

A large factor. Wealth and opportunity get passed down generation to generation. African Americans haven't had many generations of being able to do that. Given how bad things were even as recently as the 80s......

[PC2]

A large factor.

Can you name a bigger factor than poverty?

[Wells]

Can you name a bigger factor than poverty?

I'm not sure there's much point or objectively to be had in trying to weigh factors like that.

[PC2]

I'm not sure there's much point or objectively to be had in trying to weigh factors like that.

There is a lot of value in being able to prioritize factors. Only an ideologically greedy person would think "All of the causes I fight for are top factors!".