Ele Sham thoughts

[mienfoo]

Was thinking about our burst and how they could buff us without nerfing that.

Change lava burst to scale off crit all of the time. That wouldnt buff our burst and that would keep our single target and cleave up a bit. As well as just buffing LB damage, again wouldnt increase our burst but would help out single target

Was wondering what other people would think about this?

[freddy090909]

We don't need more crit scaling, it is already our best stat (plus, if they were to do something like this, the WoD model of crit = extra LvB overload chance would be much more interesting and wouldn't gut the Ascendance talent). If they want to fix any problems we have stat-wise, they need to instead do a pretty large buff to our currently atrocious mastery.

That plus a fix to our current AoE problems (not necessarily the dmg, but the huge ramp up and unreliability of it) would be enough to make the spec play pretty well.

[Zeek Daniels]

whats wrong with out mastery?

[mienfoo]

Our mastery is super random. You can multicast 10 in a row or 0 out of 10. Sometimes openers you get insane LvB procs and sometimes you get 1 or 2

[Nyel]

Our mastery is super random. You can multicast 10 in a row or 0 out of 10. Sometimes openers you get insane LvB procs and sometimes you get 1 or 2

The whole class is super random, not only Mastery. Lava Surge procs, Power of the Maelstorm procs, Mastery procs... Ele is as random as Destrolock...

[gambit998]

Well the mastery needs to do 2 things. Grant you increase copy chance and secondly increase the damage of the copy even if it is slightly. It needs some interaction with Earthquake like a percentage of additional damage (A smaller copy) of the earthquake when cast. Something like that. The fact that we are needing high mastery to function basically is a problem as it is our worst stat. Crit on the other hand doesnt really give us much of a benifit, now if critting on a spell granted us double the Maelstrom then hell ye (Like warriors rage) but alas it doesnt. and well haste is Haste, our cast times are all the same so haste is meh. But crit being our best stat atm makes sense because everything else is crud ^^

[oleander89]

Well the mastery needs to do 2 things. Grant you increase copy chance and secondly increase the damage of the copy even if it is slightly. It needs some interaction with Earthquake like a percentage of additional damage (A smaller copy) of the earthquake when cast. Something like that. The fact that we are needing high mastery to function basically is a problem as it is our worst stat. Crit on the other hand doesnt really give us much of a benifit, now if critting on a spell granted us double the Maelstrom then hell ye (Like warriors rage) but alas it doesnt. and well haste is Haste, our cast times are all the same so haste is meh. But crit being our best stat atm makes sense because everything else is crud ^^

Buffing mastery to increase damage slightly, while adding in the increased EQ damage from WoD mastery would probably fix the majority of Ele's problems right now. The EQ dmg increase will have to be pretty big though

[Zeek Daniels]

What crit chance should i be aiming for?
Atm i am doing a lava burst heavy spec where crit makes zero sense. I currently have 55% mastery and i seem to do good dmg inside of cooldowns. My ilvl is 832 and i peak at around 233k dps with heroism and fall to around 160k over the course of 3.5 mins.

[Krywulf]

What crit chance should i be aiming for?
Atm i am doing a lava burst heavy spec where crit makes zero sense. I currently have 55% mastery and i seem to do good dmg inside of cooldowns. My ilvl is 832 and i peak at around 233k dps with heroism and fall to around 160k over the course of 3.5 mins.

Actually crit is the best stat basically due to the Lava Burst build (extra lavaburst damage while in ascendance based on crit % chance).

Currently crit is the best stat for multiple reasons (mastery is garbage, +10% damage after critting for the next 2 spells, eles bonus to crit damage - 250%, and Ascendance scaling Lavaburst damage with crit %).

Stack as much crit as you can for now, but I would not expect it to be the best stat forever so I would advise against getting expensive crit gems for now (stick with the cheaper gems).

[gambit998]

Atm i am doing a lava burst heavy spec where crit makes zero sense..

Crit is used in ascendace, and the fact that LB hits like crud so making use of the 250 percent crit chance Elemental is unique for is why Crit is so important atm.

[kevincuomo]

Ele shamans are only used in 5 mans for earthquake (on trash) and Bloodlust on bosses.. other than that their dps is trash tier and my lightening bolts hit harder in resto spec than they do in elemental spec.

[Aurora]

Ele shamans are only used in 5 mans for earthquake (on trash) and Bloodlust on bosses.. other than that their dps is trash tier and my lightening bolts hit harder in resto spec than they do in elemental spec.

Heroics are getting easier now and I'm spending a lot of my time as resto just dpsing the boss instead of doing any actual healing and was surprised to see that I could comfortably maintain 80/90k dps through just flameshock, lava burst and lightning bolt. An alarmingly similar number to what I do in ele outside of ascendance / heroism / fire ele

[Zeek Daniels]

i ask what crit% i should be aiming for and all anyone says is get crit...

Anyone wanna answer what crit % is good?

[Krywulf]

i ask what crit% i should be aiming for and all anyone says is get crit...

Anyone wanna answer what crit % is good?

As much as you can get, there is no magic number to hit currently due to ascendance being the best talent and the fact it keeps scaling Lavaburst damage the more you get. Even outside of ascendance crit is good due to +10% damage after critting, +250% bonus damage. Also getting a Earthshock to crit vs noncrit is pretty huge.

[Jooji]

It seems like everywhere I look adcendance is labeled as our best ability in that tier, yet when I did some solo/dummy testing lightning rod had virtually the same performance.

I know my sample sizes probably arent large enough. I ran multiple tests with and without heroism and saw similar numbers.

Ascendance dummy dps over 6 minutes(stopped right after 3rd ascendance) my average was~175k.

With lightning rod I was sitting slightly higher at 180k.

Maybe the stat distribution on my gear is creating this...or is lightning rod maybe just underestimated? And if there's any cleave or aoe the LR build would be better.

On another note, what do we want for trinkets? Yesterday I got one of the ilvl 840 proc trinkets. Its mastery+proc. It's only accounting for 2-4% dps. Is that worth giving up one of the world quest stat sticks?(900 int, 900 crit)

[gambit998]

It seems like everywhere I look adcendance is labeled as our best ability in that tier, yet when I did some solo/dummy testing lightning rod had virtually the same performance.

I know my sample sizes probably arent large enough. I ran multiple tests with and without heroism and saw similar numbers.

Ascendance dummy dps over 6 minutes(stopped right after 3rd ascendance) my average was~175k.

With lightning rod I was sitting slightly higher at 180k.

Maybe the stat distribution on my gear is creating this...or is lightning rod maybe just underestimated? And if there's any cleave or aoe the LR build would be better.

On another note, what do we want for trinkets? Yesterday I got one of the ilvl 840 proc trinkets. Its mastery+proc. It's only accounting for 2-4% dps. Is that worth giving up one of the world quest stat sticks?(900 int, 900 crit)

Try go for a Proc Trinket and possibly a activated trinket. Try get a trinket that when activated procs crit. and for a proc trinket try get something with haste. unfortuantly our Mastery is in a horrible state so mastery trinkets are not so good atm.

[Deleted]

I would like to see chain lightning and lava burst 1.5 second cast times again like in mop.

[rokkshark]

It seems like everywhere I look adcendance is labeled as our best ability in that tier, yet when I did some solo/dummy testing lightning rod had virtually the same performance.

I know my sample sizes probably arent large enough. I ran multiple tests with and without heroism and saw similar numbers.

Ascendance dummy dps over 6 minutes(stopped right after 3rd ascendance) my average was~175k.

With lightning rod I was sitting slightly higher at 180k.

Maybe the stat distribution on my gear is creating this...or is lightning rod maybe just underestimated? And if there's any cleave or aoe the LR build would be better.

On another note, what do we want for trinkets? Yesterday I got one of the ilvl 840 proc trinkets. Its mastery+proc. It's only accounting for 2-4% dps. Is that worth giving up one of the world quest stat sticks?(900 int, 900 crit)

A lot of people just go straight to icy-veins and only look at the recommended talents. The truth is Lightning Rod performs closely to Ascendance on single target, and slightly BETTER on aoe. Frankly, we need all the help we can get on AOE, so that's what I'm running currently. Only just started heroics yesterday, but I was top dps on boss fights, and terrible on trash. Then again, nobody else was interrupting or avoiding unnecessary damage, so maybe that's why.

[Clutch]

I don't have any opinions on how to fix the stat issues that ele faces. But they baked in so much of damage for Ele into Ascendance and Earth Shock that the filler spells literally do nothing, and Lavaburst Procs are far to unreliable. It shouldn't take you 10+ secs to kill a mob, and than instantly kill the next, it makes no damn sense. Also does anyone else think the Fist of Raden proc should be off the GCD? How stupid is it that you have to halt casting a spell to cast a buff(with an extremely small window to cast 3 LB's mind you) that you may interrupt to cast LB. I realized the major issues with Fist after playing my boomkin for 1 level and watching their artifact literally hit a mob for what a 100 Malestrom Earthshock hits for.

[frychikn]

is ascendance really the end all be all? i hate the fact that our dps is so reliant on our long cooldowns