[Shadow] 845 ilv , 40% haste - Do I keep going up?

[Deleted]

Can I get some reliable info that haste can just be stacked and that at no point crit becomes better?

[Relapses]

Did you just 7/7 upgrade a bunch of double haste crafted gear? Holy shit. ._.

[tiptopmemer]

Haste is by far our best stat, Crit is important for a nice stream of shadowy apparitions (Auspicious Spirits talent/Unleash the Shadows trait)
More haste, the ride never ends.

[Tehr]

Hey, I'm not a Shadow Priest so I apologize if my information isn't useful, but once you reach the GCD cap (50% Haste iirc), Haste becomes less beneficial to you (as you'll start to become resource-capped), and other secondary stats will start to become more and more worthwhile. While I cannot comment on whether Haste will STILL be better than Crit once you've reached the soft-cap, it's something to keep in mind.

[Deleted]

Did you just 7/7 upgrade a bunch of double haste crafted gear? Holy shit. ._.

Yes. Making gold is extremely easy start of expansion, 50k for 850 ilv double haste item is worth it.

[Djriff]

Can I get some reliable info that haste can just be stacked and that at no point crit becomes better?

Haste is valuable period regardless of talents. At no realistic point does crit pass it, ever.

[Deleted]

Haste is valuable period regardless of talents. At no realistic point does crit pass it, ever.

I understand, but is there some maths behind it? How do we know that haste doesn't become irrelevant past a point? I can already easily get to 100 stacks, barely using PI.

[tiptopmemer]

I understand, but is there some maths behind it? How do we know that haste doesn't become irrelevant past a point? I can already easily get to 100 stacks, barely using PI.

Super simple answer
Void form is multiplicative. thus haste is everything to us.

[Rumstein]

Hey, I'm not a Shadow Priest so I apologize if my information isn't useful, but once you reach the GCD cap (50% Haste iirc), Haste becomes less beneficial to you (as you'll start to become resource-capped), and other secondary stats will start to become more and more worthwhile. While I cannot comment on whether Haste will STILL be better than Crit once you've reached the soft-cap, it's something to keep in mind.

Resource capping is not a thing with SPriests - we have no spender, only a builder that constantly drains in Voidform. On top of that, we have many different sources of %haste, which make our base haste even more effective. At 50% Haste, we are GCD Capped at 1 second, HOWEVER Voidform haste can bypass that to a GCD Cap of 0.75 seconds. In addition, we need more haste to minimize the Void Bolt cooldown (Base = 3 GCDs). On top of that, more haste = faster casts of Mind Blast (Which is scary at high levels of VF due to lacking resource generation during the cast) and faster ticks of DoTs (Which with T19 2PC will generate insanity).
Crit on the other hand is less effective, aside from damage we have only one talent that generates Insanity on DoT crit, and that is mostly obsolete as our best legendary tells us to pick other talents in that tier. On that note though, It will be incredibly hard to hit 50% haste from gear, so I don't think there's much to worry about.

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I understand, but is there some maths behind it? How do we know that haste doesn't become irrelevant past a point? I can already easily get to 100 stacks, barely using PI.

Void form is multiplicative - If you have 20% base haste, at 100 stacks you will have 140%. If you have base 50%, at 100 stacks you will have 200% (And PI/Bloodlust again on top - 40% base + 100 stacks + PI + Lust = 355% haste). The more haste you have, the more you get out of VF.

SW:P and VT are are main sources of damage. Haste scales those immensely, and with T19 2PC generates insanity as well. 40% Base Haste - 100 stacks for 180% haste = 0.715s tickrate for SW:P (Base 2s) and 1.075s for VT (Base 3s).

[Yozu]

How do you have 40% haste at 845ilev? I'm at 853ilev with haste on all pieces(crafted 7/7) with Chrono and crafted neck/ring and I'm sitting at 28% haste.

[Rumstein]

Double haste rolls, or haste primary rolls.

[Thra]

I may be completely noobing out here, but by double haste crafted gear what do you mean?

In my head I see this

??? Intellect
??? Stamina
??? Haste
??? Haste

Is that possible?

[Relapses]

I may be completely noobing out here, but by double haste crafted gear what do you mean?

In my head I see this

??? Intellect
??? Stamina
??? Haste
??? Haste

Is that possible?

It's rare but yes, crafted gear can roll 2x a specific stat.

[Djriff]

It's rare but yes, crafted gear can roll 2x a specific stat.

Just so people don't get confused it doesn't look like

Int - 1000
Stam - 2000
Haste - 1000
Haste - 1000

It's just double budgeted for the single stat:

Int - 1000
Stam - 2000
Haste - 2000

[Thra]

It's rare but yes, crafted gear can roll 2x a specific stat.

Just so people don't get confused it doesn't look like

Int - 1000
Stam - 2000
Haste - 1000
Haste - 1000

It's just double budgeted for the single stat:

Int - 1000
Stam - 2000
Haste - 2000

yea I thought of that format after I posted. Wow. Well then know what I'm saving my pocket money for on my alt priest.

[Djriff]

yea I thought of that format after I posted. Wow. Well then know what I'm saving my pocket money for on my alt priest.

It's actually better to get haste/crit pieces, crit is important, quite close to haste in that regard, haste is just better. So you'll want pieces that give a lot of haste and some crit as well.

[Lulbalance]

How do you have 40% haste at 845ilev? I'm at 853ilev with haste on all pieces(crafted 7/7) with Chrono and crafted neck/ring and I'm sitting at 28% haste.

You can get up to 30% in at a much lower Ilev.. but he did it with the crafted double haste items i think? Waste of $ when the cap drops.

[Deleted]

30% haste isnt all to hard as long as you pick your gear by haste. i´m ilv 833 and i just reached 30% haste. The damag on single target is still lower then most other specs. It also sucks if you get knocked back, stuned or have 2 move while in voidform. We make one mistake and our hole dps is crap. is there any others class which loses so much dps when they have to deal with mechanics ?

[Fascinate]

I am 842 with 23% haste O.o

[Jullyx]

It's actually better to get haste/crit pieces, crit is important, quite close to haste in that regard, haste is just better. So you'll want pieces that give a lot of haste and some crit as well.

What you are saying here is that crit is better than haste at some point. Is that true?