Universities face pressure to address sexual assault, "Alcohol is not consent"

[purebalance]

If you can't consent when drunk then I've been raped about 200 times in my life

[spinner981]

I have a question. What if both people are drunk, yes still conscious, and have sex? Whose fault is it and why? Is it the fault of the person who was the least drunk? How do you determine who was the least drunk?

[Independent voter]

Alcohol is involved in 90% of the cases, it seems obvious to me what the solution is, raise the drinking age.

[spinner981]

Alcohol is involved in 90% of the cases, it seems obvious to me what the solution is, raise the drinking age.

Ya, that'll stop stupid people from drinking.

[purebalance]

Yes, drunk driving is illegal.

So then a drunk person should be held responsible for their actions sexually then as well.

[GrinningMan]

Alcohol is involved in 90% of the cases, it seems obvious to me what the solution is, raise the drinking age.

Clearly they're not responsible enough to drink. I agree. Let's raise it to... Say, twenty-six?

[Jonnusthegreat]

So then a drunk person should be held responsible for their actions sexually then as well.

Drunk sexing is not illegal. You are not breaking the law by drunk sexing.

[Ladern]

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[GrinningMan]

The real answer seems to be reinstating segregated college campuses. Clearly neither side can handle the other's existence. In the wrong part of the school? Instant expulsion. If they're too stupid to understand boundaries, they're too stupid for college.

[Fasc]

I have a question. What if both people are drunk, yes still conscious, and have sex? Whose fault is it and why? Is it the fault of the person who was the least drunk? How do you determine who was the least drunk?

In normal cases, if both are somewhat drunk and evidence/behavior shows they were consenting, then neither is at fault.

In university cases, the male is at fault.

[Tennis]

The real answer seems to be reinstating segregated college campuses. Clearly neither side can handle the other's existence. In the wrong part of the school? Instant expulsion. If they're too stupid to understand boundaries, they're too stupid for college.

This seems like a good idea. Too bad it will never happen.

[Stormdash]

Alcohol isn't consent; nor is it non-consent in and of itself.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Nice way to avoid thinking.

Ok i will do the work for you. There are two kinds of "school rape".

The boys that believed that they were doing nothing wrong either due lack of comunication (As in the drunk girl saying yeah im fine) or the ones where the girl regret afterwards and blame them for "taking advantage"

And there are the sexual predators that prey on drunken girls.

None of them are going to stop just because you write "Alcohol is not conscent" everywhere. The first ones because they do not believe their case is that one (But she said yes, give me kisses and all...) and the latter already know is wrong, they count on it and will not stop for a few letters.

Now if people would think how to stop this from happening instead of how to punish when it happens.... but we know that using the brain is harder than just do as the guts tell you

If there was a way just to stop criminals from committing crimes...there wouldn't be crimes.

[purebalance]

Drunk sexing is not illegal. You are not breaking the law by drunk sexing.

Yes, and you're also allowed to have 0 consequences for your actions IF you have sex AND allowed to get the person who had sex with you in trouble whereas if you get into a car while drunk you're somehow supposed to suddenly have this lucidity that you don't have during sex? Give me a break. Has nothing to do with drunk driving or drunk sex being illegal and everything to do with the fact that if you can't be held accountable for your actions during sex then you cannot be held accountable for getting into a car while drunk.

[GrinningMan]

If there was a way just to stop criminals from committing crimes...there wouldn't be crimes.

Lobotomies would be a nice start. Maybe human servitors once we declare criminals as less than human.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Lobotomies would be a nice start. Maybe human servitors once we declare criminals as less than human.

Great idea...remember it the next time you speed or jaywalk.

[Malkiah]

In normal cases, if both are somewhat drunk and evidence/behavior shows they were consenting, then neither is at fault.

In university cases, the male is at fault.

well this is the kind of thing that happens when you take a systemic cultural issue and then make it the responsibility of the school to deal with, without giving them any reasonable funding or structural support in doing so.
it's not only the college-aged equivalent of the sex-ed problem in elementary school (or rather, the lack thereof problem), it's the inevitable result of it.

take a bunch of kids that have probably (most likely) not been given any sort of useful sexual education in their lives (both anatomically and in terms of having healthy sexual relationships just in a general social sense), raise them in a culture that stipulates that male sexuality is always aggressive and female sexuality is always submissive (or even worse when it's not submissive, slutty!) then stick them in an alternating high stress/party-all-the-time environment with alcohol and no adult supervision, and what the hell else does anyone think is going to happen?

US culture indoctrinates men to view being attracted to whatever is in front of them as their right, and for the denial of that privilege to be viewed as a fundamental withholding of their due, an intentional act of spite on the part of the woman.
it then conditions women to consider their sexuality both their most important commodity and their most shameful and disgusting flaw.
i see this as the main reason that let's just call it "drunk sex assault" happens: too many conflicting cultural teachings butting up against biological imperatives and absolutely no guide to turn to on how to navigate the whole situation.
the issue of sexual assault on college campuses (however you define it) is one fundamentally tied to how utterly retarded US culture is about sex, and the solution is one that must come from the bottom up and is basically never going to happen as long as religious zealots and culture conservatives maintain their stranglehold on the national cultural narrative.
until then, universities have no mechanism to deal with this problem, and it's hilariously unrealistic to expect them to come up with anything that isn't a frighteningly over-reaching knee jerk (in either direction) when it comes to this sort of thing.

[GrinningMan]

Great idea...remember it the next time you speed or jaywalk.

lmfao, and you the next time you say something controversial on the internet.

[hrugner]

This must be why most places of business have mostly unenforced rules against dating coworkers. When something like this turns up you can just fire everyone involved and wash your hands of it.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

lmfao, and you the next time you say something controversial on the internet.

I didn't say anything controversial.