What about High elves?
Sun elves?
blood elves -> sin'dorei = children of the blood/bloodborne
night elves -> kal'dorei = children of the stars/starborne
highborne/elves -> quel'dorei = children of the noble birth
nightborne -> shal'dorei = children of the night.
blood elves are high elves, and just renamed themselves to blood elves because of arthas's bloodshed.
some high elves still remained high elves tho.
the highborne are the kal'dorei nobles, the high elves are the exiled highborne that simply changed their title into a name, high elves.
nightborne are the elves (once night elves) that were hidden behind a powerful barrier in suramar city, the city of eternal night, without sun nor moonlight to see.
kal'dorei are the night elves, basically the "original" elves from which every other elven race evolved from, their homeland is kalimdor, the land of eternal starlight, hence why they are called kal'dorei, they are the children of the stars.
Last edited by Raetary; 2016-09-18 at 07:00 PM.
Formerly known as Arafal
source please? this is the only place i saw people saying that shal means dark.
wowpedias darnassian page says nothing about the word shal, and everything in suramar and the nightborne themselves point at it being night.
nor did i hear or see anything in the suramar zone that points at it being dark, unless i missed it.
Formerly known as Arafal
yes, pretty much.. except not drug addicts, just dependent. They had to use the arcane source to provide the things they needed to survive to feed the populace, and cloth them too. The thing about them is that the excessive use wasn't because of pure over-indulgence, even though it was indulging, it was needed for survival. But the Well also got corrupted in the process and as we know blood elf addiction and highborne addiction, the more you use magic, as amazing as it is, without the right balance or exercise as Mace put it a while ago, you become unhealthy. Doesn't help that the source got corrupted too.
So what you have here is a dependency, not an addiction. It is similar to addiction, but the source is essential for survival and thus is like food, the corruption meant that the body won't survive without it, and worse would become a mindless fiend before dying.
Last edited by Raetary; 2016-09-18 at 07:15 PM.
Formerly known as Arafal
The currect Blizzard writers must be banging their heads on the wall right now. It's nothing more than a "cool name" that they thought and wrote on a paper napkin.
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The addiction thing always confuses people.
The High/Blood elves and the Highborne have an addiction to magic. Using magic makes them feel good, it takes willpower not to do it, and not doing it makes them feel lethargic/empty.
The Nightborne literally die without magic, it's their food. It's a dependency. They depend on it to survive.
You're not addicted to water, you're dependant on water.
You simply can't comprehend the holy wisdom because you're cruel and vindictive IRL like Trolls. Dark Trolls even, because your heart is so black. You could be saved by transforming into a noble Night Elf. But you can't, because while the first of transforming into a nocturnal being would be doable, you'd need blessing of Elune to transform from that intermediary step into an actual Night Elf (on the other hand everything is Night Elf recently so you can pretend I guess).
Well, no. At least in the context of my post. Sure, it can be a source of Nightborne still being Night Elves, but:
1. What Zulkhan said on previous page can apply, they could have meant old Night Elves in that way he spoke about;
2. It's an interview, they made small errors in speech during interviews in the past, it's only human nature;
3. There is still a newer source that repeats after earlier sources that the Nightwell changed them.
Still, that's not source for "descriptive Night Elves" or "elves of the night" being things that exist in Warcraft nomenclature, which is ravenmoon's/Mace's primary argument.
If the bit in Chronicles that outright says they became a new race didn't do that, Metzen himself could announce his return to make a whole expansion about them being different races and they'd still stay in their fanfiction bubble.
Wasn't it till Alleria is found?
I could swear I just said the only two mentions of "Elves of the night" on entire WoWPedia are edits made by you, but I guess I lacked ENGLISH MASTERY to know what I'm writing, my bad. And I see what you've been saying just fine. I have no clue why you're trying to force the idea that I'm not after telling you it's false at least five times, but it's as futile as you trying to force "elves of the night" nonsense to be a taxonomic group of elves that exists in WoW lore or applies to anything other than the Kaldorei even if it did exist.
What description? Neither Nightborne nor Shal'dorei contain a description in their name themselves, just like they don't contain the name Night Elves/Kaldorei. Wait, is it the encyclopedia-like omniscient description in the Chronicles that outright states they are two different races which you continue to ignore? Why use it as an argument now then, especially since it still works against your narrative because there was no adjusted version of it so far? So I have no clue what you are trying to point out that's right in the description, but I suspect it's not what you think it is.
If you get the impression that Shal'dorei consider themselves Night Elves then how on Earth were you incapable to show a single one saying anything like that after me asking ten times?
Highborne. Highborne Elves. High Elves. Who would have guessed, Shen'dralar are actually Thalassian. I guess Cataclysm didn't show us there are other types of night elves after all. Darkfallen. Darkfallen Elves. Dark Elves. Would you look at that, WoW actually has Drows. @Rhlor will be delighted. It was hiding in plain sight, but through the magic of ENGLISH MASTERY I pierced the veil and discovered this secret. Wretched. Wretched Elves. Wretch Elves. Whatever the fuck that may be. Yeah, no. Either elves of wretch (either "descriptive" or otherwise) are a thing that exists or this logic - wait, no, even calling that logical fallacy would a monumental stretch (then again it pales in the mental gymnastics you needed to make to construct your entire narrative) - this nonsense is inane. I patiently await you championing the idea of Wretch'dorei just to maintain your narrative.
This is wrong, most elves in Quel'thalas did not use magic but were addicted regardless, because they were all connected to the sunwell. The mere presence to the well caused the addiction.
That is because they were so paranoid and afraid to lower the shield even once in 10.000 years.The Nightborne literally die without magic, it's their food. It's a dependency. They depend on it to survive.
You're not addicted to water, you're dependant on water.
Being connected to the Sunwell meant their bodies had a constant supply of magic. Hence they always had this magic energy in them.
Once it was gone they got withdrawals and such.
And...Yes? I don't see what it has to do with my explanation of what an addiction and a dependency is. It is kinda weird they didn't even lower it once though.
Which is precisely what the nightborne have, only that their energy source is corrupt and once the body doesn't get its fix it deteriorates, but they don't die.
Their dependency is born from addiction, every highborn was addicted to magic after the well of eternity was gone and used different ways to cope. The Thalassians had the sunwell, nighborne the nightwell, shen'dralar had immol'thar and the elves in shandaral tried to copy the blue dragons ability to turn things into mana crystals to feed their hunger and killed themselves in the process, creating crystalsong forest.And...Yes? I don't see what it has to do with my explanation of what an addiction and a dependency is. It is kinda weird they didn't even lower it once though.