Any Unholy DK's that have raided with some Emerald Nightmare tips?

[crazed]

Just wondering if anyone has done them yet and wishes to share with us what they have discovered that works or doesn't work.

[Monoliith]

Asphyxiate is nearly useless, with one exception - The adds on Xavius that channel, stun or grip them if they start to save your raid.

The increased AMS ability is literally God on most of the fights. The raid magic damage in EN is absurd.

TAKE EPIDEMIC. DEAR GOD. Outside of Nythendra and Ursoc you will be doing a lot of sporadic cleave and aoe, and you WILL NEED IT. And since you can't reliably change talents in raid right now, go in with it.

Don't stare at your DPS meter. Mages rogues demon hunters and hunters are going to shitstomp you if they are equal skill/gear. Get over it.

On the evil Eye/Tree boss, don't forget Mind Freeze is 15 yards. Can really save someones ass with the interupts. Also, you can use AMS to save your own ass if you are slow getting away from the slimes when they die.

The spider bird bitch sucks, and DKs are slow as shit, take a feather and jump.

Dragons of nightmare? DON'T BE STUPID. IF YOU ARE AT 9 STACKS AND YOUR TANKS ARE BEING DUMB, WALK YOUR HAPPY ASS ACROSS THE ROOM AND HIT THE OTHER ONE.

[0verdose]

^ totally agree with everything and especially with the dps part though. My guildie who's a 851 havoc is the same ilvl as me but totally destroys me dps wise. Like it's not even close... He's pullin upper 290-300k! On st boss fights and god knows how much on aoe packs I don't even check anymore. I shoulda re rolled! Jkjk

[Piz813]

Yes take epidemic!!
All will serve on ursoc and the rotting Dragon. I messed up on dragons of nightmare and too PP... the other UH guy roflstomped with virulent plague explosions

[nomnom]

Ugh that's disheartening to hear. Thought we were looking good going into the new raid :/

[Necropotence]

Ugh that's disheartening to hear. Thought we were looking good going into the new raid :/

It's still a very volatile period. Incomplete artifact weapons, no tier sets, etc. I don't imagine Blizzard would try and balance all classes at every stage of the progression. The classes listed are outliers, but that sort of thing changes frequently as the expansion rolls on. I think DKs have a really good toolkit and playstyle which should carry them through just fine.

[Casterbridge]

How is the mobility?

Haven't had a chance to run it but some of the fights look like they have some strong movement requirements.

[Dahti]

We downed dragons, ursoc and the first boss. I went with single target build on ursoc and first boss (double pet, CS, not epidemic) and made it in the top 5 (my guild is not very geared). I only have 17 AP in UNH (17 in blood as well) but yea, we feel very middle of the pack. In our raid of 23 I was the only DK. I beat the other melee (6 of which are DH) on the single target fights but I was getting stacks from both dragons and did poorly there (ran way out to drop stacks). Our raid is super melee heavy, hoping that the raid leader cuts some of our DH. We also have no rogues, no warriors and 1 under geared mage.

We had a super low requirement for entry (825+) and we had a a good number of dps on single target around 100k dps. It was doable (we were on normal) but we cut it close on Ursoc.

Personally, I don't really enjoy the UNH playstyle, I've got my shadow priest to 842 but it got the worst legendary (neck with shield) so that is a disappointment.

In mythic+ UNH seems good, only done 2s and 3s so far but compared to the DH and BM hunter I held my own most the time. I was ruuning those with different builds with little noticable difference in time to clear. Epidemic seems like the go to trash talent.

I checked rankings on logs and it seems like UNH is very overshadowed (especially by arms warrior), really kicking myself for the faction change/transfer I did with mine..

I think frost might receive some balance tweaks but I'd imagine UNH will likely stay where it is at. I'm also going to switch to full time castigator as there seems to be a lot more haste main stat users in my raid and we are doing loot based on main stat.

Also need to sim my trinkets (have so many) not sure which are most practical.

[Exotath]

We downed Heroic Nythendra first and then moved on to normals last night. I stuck with all single target centric talents but I believe if I went with All Will Serve on Nythendra I'd have done much better. Not the best but I'll improve.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...Kchd6#fight=11

We're gonna wrap up normals tonight and I am gonna try All will serve and epidemic.

My armory/talents that I used all night: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Exotath/simple

[spanishninja]

Having done 5/7 normals and 1/7 heroic on a non-official raid day last night, my thoughts:

1) Flasks and pots are annoyingly expensive
2) We shouldn't have to carry around tomes of the tranquil mind just to change talents during a raid, especially since Blizzard specifically designated certain talents as single-target or AOE and there are specific bosses in EN that are single-target or AOE. Obviously we would need to switch midraid.
3) yeah, I'm taking a feather on Renferal.

Aside from these things, I find that things are pretty much as I expected. Did 250k first time on Ursoc without pots in a pug having been gazed twice. More optimizing is needed but I don't HATE any of the fights so far (other than the tree one).

[Mercane]

Went 7/7N last night (optional raid), starting Heroics tonight.

1. AMS is your friend. Seems like every boss ability is magic based, except Ursoc (who doesn't really matter).
2. Talent swapping week 1 is also inconvenient, Death Gate will return you to the GY in EN though (free talent swaps).
3. Old War isn't bad at all, if you have the gold for a few stacks, go for it. 6-8m damage per pull.
4. Infected Claws doesn't seem as horrible as it seems. More Wounds = More Fun.

[Target2]

TAKE EPIDEMIC. DEAR GOD. Outside of Nythendra and Ursoc you will be doing a lot of sporadic cleave and aoe, and you WILL NEED IT. And since you can't reliably change talents in raid right now, go in with it.

Pestilent Pustules should be fucking baseline. I feel so resource starved when I have to take Epidemic instead and makes the spec feel like complete shit to play.

[spanishninja]

Went 7/7N last night (optional raid), starting Heroics tonight.

1. AMS is your friend. Seems like every boss ability is magic based, except Ursoc (who doesn't really matter).
2. Talent swapping week 1 is also inconvenient, Death Gate will return you to the GY in EN though (free talent swaps).
3. Old War isn't bad at all, if you have the gold for a few stacks, go for it. 6-8m damage per pull.
4. Infected Claws doesn't seem as horrible as it seems. More Wounds = More Fun.

I've personally been using infected claws for a while now. With movement fights shadow infusion loses some of its value.

[Piz813]

Pestilent Pustules should be fucking baseline. I feel so resource starved when I have to take Epidemic instead and makes the spec feel like complete shit to play.

I'm a infected claws guy myself but every bit of advice said go DT... extra runes help so much. Had some awful downtime streaks with nothing to hit

[AzriellNoamuth]

So overall I feel we're in a good spot. Was either #1 or neck and neck with our DH. (I'm i845, he's 851). The comments on epidemic are spot on. There are so many adds that it is basically necessary for us. Almost to the point that I'm considering won fever, but haven't quite decided it's better yet. For spider/roc, be greedy and take a feather.

Our mobility sucks. Period. I don't know how DKs that aren't engineering survive. Even took the cd reduction on wraith walk and using it almost on cooldown.

[Jrealness]

Yes take epidemic!!
All will serve on ursoc and the rotting Dragon. I messed up on dragons of nightmare and too PP... the other UH guy roflstomped with virulent plague explosions

Haha, glad I'm not the only one who did this ^ Yes epidemic is pretty much the go to with the exception of bear and bug dragon (went PP on those). Generally the first guy got everything correct but on AOE trash packs we can still keep up. We have 4 DH in our raid atm and I was right in the middle of them pretty much every time. Especially after getting angry that I lost the roll for the whelpling pet Just play smart, remember your 15y mind freeze, and use AMS to save yourself whenever you can. Dead DPS is no DPS.

[nephzor]

Did 7/7 normal last night, i didnt do good on most fights, only fights i did good are the double dragon and xavius. We one shotted most fights so we'll see tonight on heroic, how i do. Most important is AMS is really strong on almost every fight. Epidemic is also good on like 5/7 bosses.

[0verdose]

So overall I feel we're in a good spot. Was either #1 or neck and neck with our DH. (I'm i845, he's 851). The comments on epidemic are spot on. There are so many adds that it is basically necessary for us. Almost to the point that I'm considering won fever, but haven't quite decided it's better yet. For spider/roc, be greedy and take a feather.

Our mobility sucks. Period. I don't know how DKs that aren't engineering survive. Even took the cd reduction on wraith walk and using it almost on cooldown.

Wow really? Maybe my dh guildie is just a god or something but he's 851 and pulling like 50-80k more than me, and I'm pulling 250k+ a fight...

[nephzor]

Dh are seriously strong on burst AoE, our 2 DH did really good on most fights, since every fight with adds on normal with everyone at 850+ adds are dying almost instantly.

[Lucrece]

Arms warriors have such retarded OP single target damage that they're competing with outlaw rogues and demonhunters on multi-target fights.

Dunno why so many people are crying about DH when it's just a padding class as their single target damage is middle of the pack, other classes are doing far more valuable damage to the boss.