There is hope yet!

[justinope]

read " we are sorry our tuners are retards pls solve that shit for us during weekend so that wehn we return to work on monday we can copy/paste your ideas as ours"

hahaha this is so fucking true

[Daerio]

read " we are sorry our tunners are retards pls solve that shit for us during weekend so that wehn we return to work on monday we can copy/paste your ideas as ours"

Honestly what they mean is, "Don't panic, those are going to be the numbers but it won't be that bad after you get used to it."

They aren't going to adjust the tuning again, they never do. They'll overnerf and "wait and see."

[phuzy]

read " we are sorry our tunners are retards pls solve that shit for us during weekend so that wehn we return to work on monday we can copy/paste your ideas as ours"

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Honestly what they mean is, "Don't panic, those are going to be the numbers but it won't be that bad after you get used to it."

They aren't going to adjust the tuning again, they never do. They'll overnerf and "wait and see."

Just like they never have a stable launch any expansion. Oh wait.

[Daerio]

Just like they never have a stable launch any expansion. Oh wait.

I hope you don't mean Legion with all the "DDoS attacks."

[Pull My Finger]

read " we are sorry our tunners are retards pls solve that shit for us during weekend so that wehn we return to work on monday we can copy/paste your ideas as ours"

Stay pathetic, MMO-C!

Well you had to post something since you couldn't whine about them "not listening to our feedback, bohoo", right.

Changes seem about right to me on paper at least. But the numbers will show.

[Deleted]

Oh you really believe there is still hope ????


My sweet summer child... Look at us, old warriors... We already lost any sign of hope in our balancing team (really just a bunch of screaming monkeys)

[ztn]

i dont think so.
DH is fine ST if you have good timing with momentum. Im top 100 World on Ursoc HC fight, which almost belongs to a patchwerk fight. (290k DPS No legendary - 849iLvL)

if you think that it's fine - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...841&dataset=90 think pls again...
-warrior
-druid
-mage
-rogue
-shaman
-monk
-hunter
-paladin
-dh
-priest
-dk
-warlock

[Stormdash]

What if the Throw Glaive and Bloodlet nerf stayed in, but they took Throw Glaive off the GCD -- would it then still be worth using even in a Felblade build?

[Schizoide]

My guess (and my hope) is they saw the feedback about Havoc single-target not deserving a nerf, and are targeting towards only nerfing Throw Glaive and Fel Rush damage on secondary targets, similarly to DK Howling Blast.

Fel Mastery and Bloodlet needed to be nerfed, they were just way too strong. Bloodlet in particular. But that single-target damage should be repaid in Chaos Strike.

[Dire]

I hope you don't mean Legion with all the "DDoS attacks."

That did not affect many people. My whole server had zero issues.

[Daerio]

That did not affect many people. My whole server had zero issues.

Son, you're crazy. Just because it didn't happen to you doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[[Apok]]

if you think that it's fine - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...841&dataset=90 think pls again...
-warrior
-druid
-mage
-rogue
-shaman
-monk
-hunter
-paladin
-dh
-priest
-dk
-warlock

90th percentile, not top 100

[ztn]

90th percentile, not top 100

and? 99th precentile (aka top30) https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...841&dataset=99 looks exactly same... dh is pure garbage on single target and without buff even current state is useless in raid... after blizz buff 90% specs next reset dh would be bottom even without nerfs at all...

[Daerio]

I think Blizzard realized that the ST nerf was not intended.

Sorry, do you really think that's going to stop them from hotfixing it in on Tuesday? Because I don't.

[Tech Priest Bojangles]

so why do they post then that theyre still discussing?

So people will stop blowing up their twitter.
That's my guess.

[Deleted]

These nerfs are going live, that's for sure. But the question is, when will they realize that they made a huge mistake by not only nerfing our AoE but also our average single target dps. With these nerfs coming, Havoc will be one of the worst specs in single target dps and average on AoE fights.

If you are in a casual guild, it's not going to matter at all. If, however, you are in a guild that is pushing for world rankings, the chances are you will be benched for this tier in mythic progression. As a result of these nerfs, none of the guilds will see a logical reason to bring a DH to the mythic roster when they are one of the worst single target and just average AoE.

And there is also the fact that they don't release tuning patches especially during world first races, which will probably take about 2 weeks starting from next wednesday. So we better get used to these nonsense nerfs, because they are not releasing any tuning patches anytime soon after this one.

I simply can't understand what is the source of their data for class balancing, that they even had to nerf our single target dps by about 15% so that we are "on par" with other classes. Some people in this world are working in the biggest companies while being completely clueless about what they are doing, and this "tuning" patch is a fine example of this.

[Creatinebrah]

These nerfs are going live, that's for sure. But the question is, when will they realize that they made a huge mistake by not only nerfing our AoE but also our average single target dps. With these nerfs coming, Havoc will be one of the worst specs in single target dps and average on AoE fights.

If you are in a casual guild, it's not going to matter at all. If, however, you are in a guild that is pushing for world rankings, the chances are you will be benched for this tier in mythic progression. As a result of these nerfs, none of the guilds will see a logical reason to bring a DH to the mythic roster when they are one of the worst single target and just average AoE.

And there is also the fact that they don't release tuning patches especially during world first races, which will probably take about 2 weeks starting from next wednesday. So we better get used to these nonsense nerfs, because they are not releasing any tuning patches anytime soon after this one.

I simply can't understand what is the source of their data for class balancing, that they even had to nerf our single target dps by about 15% so that we are "on par" with other classes. Some people in this world are working in the biggest companies while being completely clueless about what they are doing, and this "tuning" patch is a fine example of this.

someone has to be on teh bottom

[Schizoide]

These nerfs are going live, that's for sure.

They're usually pretty careful with their communication. I fully expect the havoc nerfs and shadow buffs to be changed before going live. Whether either spec likes the new versions is up for grabs, but they won't go live exactly as previously posted.

[Deleted]

Tbh, if Havoc is pulling ahead of other classes, considering that everything seems to take an enormous time to kill I'd rather see other classes buffed than DH nerfed.

[Schizoide]

Generally speaking, I agree with that. But Havoc is a substantial outlier, and it makes more sense to pull it down than to pull everybody else up. Buffing can be dangerous if you aren't careful, same as nerfing. Sometimes you buff an ability and walk away thinking you're done, but then players think on it a bit and come up with an emergent rotation that's not fun at all but outdamages the priority you intended by 3.7% and everybody switches over. So it's best to take the path of least resistance whenever possible.