First presidential debate - September 26: Trump vs Hillary

[May90]

@2:10 she tries to get the subject changed.

Hmm? At 2:10 Trump is still talking. Try again.

[zenkai]

You objectively didn't, and we're not just saying partisan, we're saying you suck at debating.

Debating what? How did this Trump and Hillary post turn into attack Zenkai anyway?

[Endus]

Debating what? How did this Trump and Hillary post turn into attack Zenkai anyway?

When you slandered Clinton without any basis for doing so, and then started reacting poorly when people asked you to back up that slander, or retract it.

[zenkai]

"I'm sure" is a very strong argument.

When it has logic behind it, it can make a good prediction, you know since her poll numbers dropped after the DNC leak.

[Deleted]

Hmm? At 2:10 Trump is still talking. Try again.

Then look further till the endd stop defending a criminal people like you will be put up as a tratitor..

[alexw]

Most of the online polls show that the people believe that Trump won the debate. I happen to agree with that.

To give credit where it's due, Hillary made it, she didn't look sickly, and she said all the "right" things which made her look like a professional politician.

The problem is that it made her seem fake, and the public already does not trust her. Trump was more passionate, but he seemed more honest and like joe everyman.

I think that Trump is connecting with a lot of normal people and promising change, where as Hillary is playing the part of the typical establishment politician who is offering the status quo. That is probably why Trump won the debate, why he is winning in the national polls, and why he will likely win the election in November.

A post was made on /r/The_Donald and 4chan listing all the online polls. The trumpists then went and multiple click spammed the polls to show Trump as the winner, so its pretty obvious those results are fake. By contrast all the focus groups carried out show that Clinton won by a large margin, even the one carried out by Frank Luntz the republican pollster.

[Paranoid Android]

Hyperbole doesn't help your case. That said...it's beyond me how many progressives support her in spite of her reckless neocon foreign policy accentuated by a proven track record. She makes Dick Cheney look like Mother Theresa!

True. I hate hawks and Neo-Cons. Actually it depends on what side of the bed Trump wakes up on. I like his non-interventionist speak.

The problem is if you want to make an argument for true progressives. The Supreme Court is a good one to look at.

[zenkai]

When you slandered Clinton without any basis for doing so, and then started reacting poorly when people asked you to back up that slander, or retract it.

It started way before then, it started when I attacked both sides, but it was only the Hillary supporters who started trashing me.

[May90]

Then look further till the endd stop defending a criminal people like you will be put up as a tratitor..

Wut?

/10charitables

[Independent voter]

My current theory is Trump was playing the fool, next time he'll do a lot better. If he had done really well this time around nobody would tune in for the next debate.

[Deleted]

Well, let me tell you, Trump knows what he's doing.

Pro tip: watch his eyes and reactions throughout the debate. He's surveying the battlefield and sizing up his prey before he strikes later on.

Pro tip #2: Third debate matters more than the first.

Pro tip #3: Trump is master of creative media narratives. This is a David vs. Goliath story (Hillary being the latter of course).

[zenkai]

Let me sum up the debate for you folks

The winner was <insert your candidate here>, it was obvious they did way better than <Insert the candidate you don't like here>.

Ah damn it, here's the post that started it all! Funny how only Hillary supporters were offended.

[Delaios]

@2:10 she tries to get the subject changed.

But didn't Trump already change the subject? Question was about home-grown terrorists.

[Narwal]

Because you are a right-winger/republican. That's why it connected with you. And that's why that statement will not help him.

Because he doesn't need to win you over, you are already a republican party voter.

The debates are not for you, nor for me. They are for those in the middle 30%-ish who are persuadable. And his statements on avoiding taxes hurt him with this group.

I'm actually not a member of either party, and I've never voted in an election. I tend to lean towards conservative values from the stand point that I would like to keep more of the money I earn. I don't subscribe to the Republican social issue policy, nor do I subscribe to the Democratic one either. I'm somewhere in the middle of, "Republicans, stop caring so much about what others are doing because that's contradictory to your desire of personal freedomes... and Democrats, stop trying to legislate how I feel about others around me".

I don't see Trump as a President, but I find Hillary Clinton to be repulsive as a choice, she is the epitome of a life-long politician and I hate it. So, I mostly play devil's advocate here, I probably won't be voting, just like each of the last 4 elections.

[Endus]

Ah damn it, here's the post that started it all! Funny how only Hillary supporters were offended.

Yeah, except all the antagonism over the past few pages has been because you claimed "half of Clinton voters hate her". Not that earlier post.

[Paranoid Android]

@2:10 she tries to get the subject changed.

If you really think Clinton and/or Obama solely created Isis then you 1) Choose not to study history of all the factors that went into why Isis was formed or 2) just want it to be solely Clinton's fault as a talking point.

I will say that Clinton is very hawkish and I still believe she wanted to go into Iraq, which started the whole mess.

[Thepersona]

How am I acting like a Zealot? My life for Aiur!

Hey, i'm the psionic force of rage of aiur!
POWER OVERWHELMING!

[Healing Rain]

I didn't watch the debate but from what I've heard Crooked Hillary believes living off of taxpayers for 30 years makes her prepared to be president.

[Breccia]

Trump accuses Hilliary of creating ISIS. He literally points her out, her body language is the tell that he has gotten to her!

It starts when Trump brings up ISIS. He points at Hilliary and she loses here shit. Body language and the ln get Lester to fade the topic.

Hillary supporters care to defend her for this?

Okay. She totally deflected on ISIS one of the times it came up. But not all of them.

CLINTON: Well, I think there are a number of issues that we should be addressing. I have put forth a plan to defeat ISIS. It does involve going after them online. I think we need to do much more with our tech companies to prevent ISIS and their operatives from being able to use the Internet to radicalize, even direct people in our country and Europe and elsewhere.

But we also have to intensify our air strikes against ISIS and eventually support our Arab and Kurdish partners to be able to actually take out ISIS in Raqqa, end their claim of being a Caliphate.

We're making progress. Our military is assisting in Iraq. And we're hoping that within the year we'll be able to push ISIS out of Iraq and then, you know, really squeeze them in Syria.

But we have to be cognizant of the fact that they've had foreign fighters coming to volunteer for them, foreign money, foreign weapons, so we have to make this the top priority.

And I would also do everything possible to take out their leadership. I was involved in a number of efforts to take out Al Qaida leadership when I was secretary of state, including, of course, taking out bin Laden. And I think we need to go after Baghdadi, as well, make that one of our organizing principles. Because we've got to defeat ISIS, and we've got to do everything we can to disrupt their propaganda efforts online.

HOLT: You mention ISIS, and we think of ISIS certainly as over there, but there are American citizens who have been inspired to commit acts of terror on American soil, the latest incident, of course, the bombings we just saw in New York and New Jersey, the knife attack at a mall in Minnesota, in the last year, deadly attacks in San Bernardino and Orlando. I'll ask this to both of you. Tell us specifically how you would prevent homegrown attacks by American citizens, Mr. Trump?

TRUMP: Well, first I have to say one thing, very important. Secretary Clinton is talking about taking out ISIS. "We will take out ISIS." Well, President Obama and Secretary Clinton created a vacuum the way they got out of Iraq, because they got out -- what, they shouldn't have been in, but once they got in, the way they got out was a disaster. And ISIS was formed.

So she talks about taking them out. She's been doing it a long time. She's been trying to take them out for a long time. But they wouldn't have even been formed if they left some troops behind, like 10,000 or maybe something more than that. And then you wouldn't have had them.

Or, as I've been saying for a long time, and I think you'll agree, because I said it to you once, had we taken the oil -- and we should have taken the oil -- ISIS would not have been able to form either, because the oil was their primary source of income. And now they have the oil all over the place, including the oil -- a lot of the oil in Libya, which was another one of her disasters.

HOLT: Secretary Clinton?

CLINTON: Well, I hope the fact-checkers are turning up the volume and really working hard. Donald supported the invasion of Iraq. **Deflection. It's valid, that's old news, but it's deflecting.

Clinton did also, factually correctly, point out that the withdraw from Iraq was an agreement she and Obama didn't sign, but were legally obligated to uphold. Trump's not always familiar with that.

There was also this exchange:

HOLT: I'm going to give you a chance right here...

TRUMP: I think I should -- you go to her website, and you take a look at her website.

HOLT: ... with a new 15-minute segment...

TRUMP: She's going to raise taxes $1.3 trillion.

HOLT: Mr. Trump, I'm going to...

TRUMP: And look at her website. You know what? It's no difference than this. She's telling us how to fight ISIS. Just go to her website. She tells you how to fight ISIS on her website. I don't think General Douglas MacArthur would like that too much.

HOLT: The next segment, we're continuing...

CLINTON: Well, at least I have a plan to fight ISIS.

HOLT: ... achieving prosperity...

TRUMP: No, no, you're telling the enemy everything you want to do.

CLINTON: No, we're not. No, we're not.

That's not losing her shit. That's having an admittedly childish but in US debates highly expected response.

And I disagree about the body language, too. The wheezing, sniffing, parched, slumped over candidate was on your side.

Btw Trump won he just didnt finish her off.

Not even FOX News analysts agree with that. I'm still waiting for the traditional polls to come out -- yes, I voted multiple times for Clinton on multiple online polls without closing my browser or disabling cookies -- that might settle that part of the discussion. Incidentally, Trump walked out claiming 80%, 90% on some online polls which was flat-out false at the time, and he seemed to have that information pretty quickly. Did someone set up a link for his rabid fanbase to chain-click?

You're entitled to your opinion, a lot of people share it...just, not a lot of experts in the field.

[Teaklog]

Yeah I can use this as in the same breath of when businesses ask for tax cuts. You think businesses are going to hire more people with the tax cuts they get? No. It will go to the shareholders and executives running the company.

I know we are speaking more on large publicly traded companies, which I find a huge fault in that system. Namely the CEO looking out for shareholders, in turn creating a huge money chest for himself. Again laying off employees, paying them less or not providing benefits.

The system won't change. Instead you could use logic to increase incentives. Provide a bigger tax cuts to a business for providing more benefits to their employees is a suggestion (obviously before anything would matter we would need to do research but you get my point. Provide incentives).

You act like the CEO looking about for shareholders is a bad thing. The shareholders are his boss. If you purchase a share of McDonalds, you receiving your quarterly dividends is what the CEO is looking out for. Which is in turn used in valuing the company.

And you get laid off if the value you provide to the company is not worth keeping you around. There are many reasons for this, often outside of your control and the company's control. Companies don't lay off employees just to be mean...you were hired to begin with because the company believed you would add value.

Idk business aren't created to provide people with jobs.