First presidential debate - September 26: Trump vs Hillary

[Daerio]

So wait...if you change your opinion, your original opinion can't be brought up any more? You get a clean slate on it? Because that's literally what you are implying.

Being for the war until it turns out to be a disaster and then backpedaling isn't really that impressive though.

Re-writing history is a tricky thing. Here's a timeline of Trump statements about the war:

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/02/don...-the-iraq-war/

Please point out to me where on the timeline you think Trump flip-flopped the way Clinton did on TPP.

In fact, was the "fact checker" right about anything he said last night? It doesn't seem so!

[Thepersona]

Owh yea I forgot Trump said he wants goodrelations with Russia and GTFO the middle east for good

And Hillary keeps on bashing the russians.

Trump and Putin are the right people to keep the world in check.

Because they're allies... and The Donald said that he'd bomb the hell out of middle east... and take their oil!
And lol at putin for being the right person

[Felya]

Hillary is more intented to start a war with Russia then Trump is

I'm pretty sure they are on equal footing in wanting start a war. Hillary just doesn't need to be a cuck to Russian oligarchs to build in Russia... Trump has and does... You are confusing his kneeling to Russia, with not wanting war more...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Politkovskaya

[Deleted]

So wait...if you change your opinion, your original opinion can't be brought up any more? You get a clean slate on it? Because that's literally what you are implying.

yes because that is disingenuous - They aren't saying that he was at one point or another for the war, they are saying that he was for the war when it was actually decided.
Now sure, that interview was hardly definitive, but if he had said 'I think Iraq would be a mistake' in January of 2003, it would be a clear lie to say that he was for the war.

[Sky High]

Owh yea I forgot Trump said he wants goodrelations with Russia and GTFO the middle east for good

no he doesn't. he gave Clinton shit for pulling out of Iraq, I mean during the debate he made the argument to STAY in Iraq. these motherfuckers, I swear.

[Dextroden]

It's a better idea than giving it to Hillary. I at least trust Trump to be so inept that he won't be very effective, which essentially leaves the power to Congress. Best case, he surrounds himself with a good team of advisers who at least know what they're doing and he lets them run things while he plays golf. Worst case scenario, he's as crazy as the media would have you believe (which is impossible) and he's either impeached or kept in check by Congress. Most likely scenario in my opinion is that he's just in this for bragging rights and as soon as he's elected basically checks out and doesn't do a damn thing, which again leaves Congress to run things.

Hillary will actually try to get things done, and no, that's not a good thing because I disagree with her fundamentally on almost every social and economic point, plus I think she's as fucking corrupt as even the most gibbering insane of tinfoil-hat-wearers claim she is. Plus her time as Secretary of State is nothing to brag about - she was shitty at her job. She's corrupt, she's the antithesis of everything I believe in, she's terrible, and I would rather put a 70-year-old spoiled brat with thin skin in the White House than her.

Can I give you massive props for being one of like three people that realize the same force that people like to mention kept Obama from doing things will still exist for Trump? Especially after all the effort to tar and feather anyone who supports him and factions like "Never Trump" Republicans.

People were moaning about Obama being called Tyrant or King seem to have no trouble keeping that stupid ideal alive.

[Garnier Fructis]

I think you don't really know what science, math or objective measure is.

I think you don't have a grasp on logic.

[gusty jack]

Trump and Putin are the right people to keep the world in check.

You never gave a source, but I guess that's to be expected. You wouldn't be able to back up your claims anyways. Trump wants to take the oil out of the Middle East when he leaves - explain to me how the fuck he's going to do that. He's as delusional about some of these things as his supporters.

If you think Trump and Putin are the right people to do anything other than star in this millennium's most watched gay porn film then you're very confused. Trump would be Putin's fucktoy within days of being elected, because Trump is utterly playable and Putin knows it.

PS: Most of Russia's news networks say Trump lost the debate, and reports have said he failed to even present himself as a serious presidential candidate.

[Deleted]

Because being critical of Russia means she wants to start a war with them?...

She is for a No-fly zone over Syria.
Currently Syrian airspace is defended by Russian Aircraft and AA - Please explain to me how a No-Fly can be enacted without changing that?

[Lenonis]

Can I give you massive props for being one of like three people that realize the same force that people like to mention kept Obama from doing things will still exist for Trump? Especially after all the effort to tar and feather anyone who supports him and factions like "Never Trump" Republicans.

People were moaning about Obama being called Tyrant or King seem to have no trouble keeping that stupid ideal alive.

Why is it that this concept of Congress keeping the president in check never seems to apply to Hillary?

[Belize]

Fact checkers certainly are.

Fact checkers, who simply check facts, are biased.

Of course.

[Lenonis]

There is also the fact of this video:

*snip*

I think he has China on his mind.

God I love that video. Never gets old.

[Felya]

Owh yea I forgot Trump said he wants goodrelations with Russia and GTFO the middle east for good

Then why did Trump say we needed more troops last night? Why did he talk about taking their oil? Did you watch the debate?

[Daerio]

Fact checkers, who simply check facts, are biased.

Of course.

Once again, they aren't checking facts. In fact every "fact" that was "checked" during the debate last night was utter bullshit. That's spin, not fact.

[May90]

Hillary is more intented to start a war with Russia then Trump is

What are you talking about? Neither of them is even considering starting a war with Russia.

Why... Why do people like this exist... :/

[Edge-]

Re-writing history is a tricky thing. Here's a timeline of Trump statements about the war:

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/02/don...-the-iraq-war/

Please point out to me where on the timeline you think Trump flip-flopped the way Clinton did on TPP.

In fact, was the "fact checker" right about anything he said last night? It doesn't seem so!

Yes, that shows what I said - Trump's 2002 comment to Stern was very weak support, but it was support. I think media make too much out of it, but it is what it is. And factually, he still did support the war in his first public comments on the matter. So it's a technicality, but it's still true.

The fact that this doesn't make you happy is irrelevant.

yes because that is disingenuous - They aren't saying that he was at one point or another for the war, they are saying that he was for the war when it was actually decided.

They're saying he initially supported the war, a factually true statement (even if more on technicality) given his comment to Howard Stern in 2002.

Welcome to politics, every word you've ever said publicly will be scrutinized.

She is for a No-fly zone over Syria.
Currently Syrian airspace is defended by Russian Aircraft and AA - Please explain to me how a No-Fly can be enacted without changing that?

I'm not part of the Hillary campaign, so I can't. That's up to them to figure out. But trying to connect her stance on a no-fly zone over Syria to her wanting to start a war with Russia is, quite frankly, completely insane. There is no direct link between the two unless you assume, and to assume this you would need to ignore Hillary's career and really all of reality, that she'll just blindly stick to the policy and start shooting down Russian bombers/fighters.

[Felya]

She is for a No-fly zone over Syria.
Currently Syrian airspace is defended by Russian Aircraft and AA - Please explain to me how a No-Fly can be enacted without changing that?

Nagotiate politicaly... Which doesn't include a 'blind trust' ran by his kids building hotels in Moscow, if we cuck out of Syria. We don't need 'we agreed with Russia to let them control Syria. In exchange, we made it easier for US corporations to build in Russia!'.

[Deleted]

Fact checkers, who simply check facts, are biased.

Of course.

Well some are.
First is a Bernie quote being fact checked:

Sanders said that for African-Americans between the ages of 17 and 20, "the real unemployment rate … is 51 percent." His terminology was off, but the numbers he used check out, and his general point was correct -- that in an apples-to-apples comparison, African-American youth have significantly worse prospects in the job market than either Hispanics or whites do. The statement is accurate but needs clarification or additional information, so we rate it Mostly True.

Then a trump quote:

"If you look at what’s going on in this country, African-American youth is an example: 59 percent unemployment rate; 59 percent," Trump said.

The unemployment rate is a widely used term with a specific definition: It refers to the percentage of jobless people in the workforce who are actively seeking employment. In May, the unemployment rate for blacks ages 16 to 24 was 18.7 percent, or less than one-third of Trump’s claim.

Either like a half million African Americans got a job in the span off a year, or they are, Whats the word? - Biased?

[Daerio]

Yes, that shows what I said - Trump's 2002 comment to Stern was very weak support, but it was support. I think media make too much out of it, but it is what it is. And factually, he still did support the war in his first public comments on the matter. So it's a technicality, but it's still true.

In the spin zone, nobody can hear you think.

[Belize]

Once again, they aren't checking facts. In fact every "fact" that was "checked" during the debate last night was utter bullshit. That's spin, not fact.

So Trump didn't say that Climate Change was a Chinese hoax?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...nge-chinese-h/

O-Oh.

And he didn't say that he would try to negotiate the national debt?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/07/us...less.html?_r=0

Well, this isn't looking good.

http://www.npr.org/2016/09/26/495115...dential-debate

Enjoy.