Your modern conception of whiteness and the racial divisions are not a reflection of the 19th century. Race and ethnicity are tightly intertwined concepts, and ethnic discrimination is generally categorized as racism even if it contains no explicitly racial dimensions. That's why we don't have an "ism" word for ethnic discrimination. Also, defending bigotry as being incorrectly categorized as the wrong kind of bigotry isn't a terribly effective defense.
"stop puting you idiotic liberal words into my mouth"
-ynnady
Actually the point being made was that when Irish immigration was at it's height, all your handwaving, 'control immigration' arguments were made about the Irish.. same again with the Jews, trying to escape the Nazis.
All Horses in the USA, are also immigrants.. so Ghostcrawler says you ain't getting that pony.
My wish for better policies in regards to immigration stems from me wanting people that come here to fare well, not be placed far away from our major cities and forgotten about so they can line pockets of fat cats who cut corners in expenses for the refugees, like forcing them to go buy diapers and maxi pads on their own..
I've still been called a racist.
"stop puting you idiotic liberal words into my mouth"
-ynnady
Which is probably the problem. You see the more eloquent and complex arguments. You see all the academia, with references and taxonomies and special language, etc... You pay less attention to what people say and believe on the ground level. Those are the majority of people. They really do think with such a broad brush as "white skinned people have always had it good"
BNP racists did not move over to UKIP, the BNP died when Nick Griffin went on Question Time and people heard what he had to say. And UKIP are about EU immigration, which is primarily white immigration, so you are effectively saying that UKIP are anti-white racists.
Plus are you calling virtually all of the Conservative Party supporters racist, including me, for wanting a stricter and more efficient immigration policy? You are going to need some staggering proof of that.
Your argument is riddled with holes.
"The British people saw themselves as another race and treated other whites as another white race in order to justify their ill treatment and hate but it's totally not racist because now a couple hundred years later we view them all as white even though back then. That wasn't the case. "
Ethnic discrimination is racism. This has been established for a long time now. The concepts are not delineated, and even the UN charter explicitly considers ethnic discrimination to be racism, as does US law.
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If white people have advantages over black people on average, then that definition would absolutely apply, and that is EXACTLY what I said.
"stop puting you idiotic liberal words into my mouth"
-ynnady
You're wrong. Hatred has historically run along cultural lines. People tend to like the company of those who agree with them and act like them. So while there are some who hate simply on the lines of what you look like, the vast majority of hate in the world is because "you disagree with me".
Bigotry is always wrong. Trying to define certain scenarios where bigotry is 'wronger' is when you find your self defending your own personal brand of bigotry.
"stop puting you idiotic liberal words into my mouth"
-ynnady