Organizing 5 people is not the same as organizing 10-20 people for 9 weeks or more. It's not the matter of skill, but of the availability of people with enough skill and the same time frame to play.
Wake up, there are not that many people that want to raid. There is a reason why games with small groups are that much more successful. Large raids are only on life support by LFR and zealots like you.
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Then switch this artifact skin from the locking position with the world bosses requirement, and the problem is solved. This is the skin with the least organisational effort required to achieve it, and it should be then the one which unlocks the other skins in this tier. I would not mind the current setup if these two were switched. I know I will kill all world bosses ASAP. But I know that I will probably never PUG enough EN raids to get the stupid 30 shards.
you log at any hour of the day fire the queue and keep doing our business, the system automatically assemble the raid without any need to pay attention, you get teleported from the spot were you were directly into the raid, no stress hearing peoples swearing on TS/VEntrilo, the guy who go afk, the guy who it's baby woke up and need to go, dramas lamas, drama queens over loot etc.
Something go wrong and some bail the group, no problem the system fill the spots back in few minutes and teleport those replacements back in. then once you are done it teleport you back to our original spot.
lfr is a god sent addiction that save peoples lot of stress.
For a second there I thought that "addiction" might not have been a typo. Oh well.
My opinion is a bit jaded, since I dislike LFR, but I gotta agree that it's actually good for many players - I even tend to do it on alts sometimes for quick gear. But at the same time, as in any other game, going the extra mile should be rewarded. The artifact skin is there for the taking, it's Blizzards way of saying "okay guys, you do the LFR, but here's a deal - try out the normal mode. It's a bit harder and requires organised group, but gives you better gear and is probably more fun. You know what - here's a deal, try it out and get a cool new skin!". It's entirely up to you if you want it or not.
i don't really care about the skin, if you want to know that shitty gun on my hunter has been transmogged with the illidan bow (just to shit xe'ra in the face), the problem is that since DS blizzard had not added anything cool in lfr (and eve removed tier and trinket in wod).
Why couldnt the quest be doable in all difficulties. And you get 1 colour for LFR, 1 for normal 1 for heroic and 1 for mythic. Each tier of skins have four colour variants. There is 4 different versions of a raid. Seems logical enough I would have thought.
But oh well.
My name is Cernunnos, I will love you like no other, I have died a thousand deaths, each time I died I thought of you.
I agree, but for me there's one thing: you speak of 1 artifact skin than opens via quest in raid which cannot be done in LFR.
From my point of view - i absoluttely have no idea what the quest will reward me with. I don't need the extra artifact skin (i transmog to some wotlk stuff anyway).
I just feel like i'm doing a very important (main) questline and then my progress hits a wall. I don't know if it's the last quest in this chain, or if there's hundreds more left, but the story just breaks! I want to complete the story. Let the artifact skin or whatever the awesome reward there is drop from the last boss in mythic or normal for those who have already completed this quest, but let me complete the quest at least in LFR! I want to see how it ends, to see kadgar or whoever i help happy and maybe send me to more quests.
Was it not all the LFR was about? To see the content in it's entirety, just get less shiny rewards than those who do it in harder difficulties?
For 12 years now, everything gated behind end-game content that only raiders have access to has caused bad players to froth at their mouths and cry until the perk in question is handed to them. And lo' and behold, now, with the easiest tier of raiding I have ever seen in my life, the whining is worse than it's ever been. It's almost as if giving the scum of the playerbase any attention only makes them want even more handouts... hmm...
You may now kiss the ring.
Cheers, you just explained why LFR is a horrible system that should be removed.
You put in zero effort and get rewarded.
Just hit that signup button, watch how the boss falls over despite 99% of the raid having zero clue how to play their class or do the encounter, and then get loot.
You might as well get rewarded a cache upon your weekly login, where a cinematic plays and you have a random chance of getting loot from that box.
It's pretty close to how LFR is.
Selective memory is a funny thing. Snuffleupagus seems to think in cata subs went down because of nerfs. Whereas I recall people bailing because the heroics were a massive roadblock and were not how many people wanted or expected them to be. \
Raid being nerfed weren't that much of a factor, besides a few "I want to get it done pre nerf!" whinings.
Those of us that do LFR don't think "raiding is horrendously terrible" (The people that think that are very likely to do no raiding at all, being they hate it, ya know?), we don't want to be committed to a raid team (For example of myself. Been there, done that. Now prefer to have full control over when I do something)
People also don't want to deal with pugging. Yes yes, some people can pug easily , but not everyone has confidence. And for every person that claims they pug easily, there are other that face a night of being told "no".
And you know what can't say no? LFR. LFR can't say no. I can do LFR when I want, how I want. LFR is what I want. I'm not saying to take things away from normal/heroic/mythic raiders...but as an LFR raider (Sorry haters, but that's what I am when I do LFR. looking for RAID and all)...why take things away from me?
You must show no mercy, Nor have any belief whatsoever in how others judge you: For your greatness will silence them all!
-Warrior Wisdom
It removed all sense of commitment, having to put in effort and community, that's what it did.
By commitment I don't mean having to raid 3x4 hours a week, but not having to worry about creating a group, recruiting or being recruited is terrible.
LFR shouldn't exist, but the LFG tool should be kept. That's basically what Ghostcrawler said as well, he admitted that LFR is one of the biggest mistakes ever done to WoW.
why? it's like telling peoples that the old way of using paper maps and asking stranger is better than using a gps navigator; for year peoples were forced to swallow all the crap this community produced, now there is a way to avoid it and that is lfr, if you want to blame someone blame peoples with shitty attitudes.
Also why you care? blizzard offer both method.
Not really, at all.
At work I have colleagues that demand the same salary as me, yet they don't want to put in the extra necessary education, they'd rather spend their friday/weekend drinking or hanging out with friends and family etc.
If you don't put in the effort, you can't have a bite of the cake, pretty simple.
There's already dumped down heroic dungeons (basically old normal dungeons) and world quests that you solo players can do.
If you truly want to raid and get that loot, you should at least put in the effort to learn your class just somewhat and sign up for the raids in the LFG tool. Being able to do nothing (signup for LFR) and still having a bite of the cake (raid loot) is just dumb.
Why do you even play WoW when you have no interest in playing with others? It's an MMO after all, not some single player game. LFR is literally single player - You don't talk to anybody at all, you just go in and do your thing (usually afk), get rewarded and then fuck off without communicating with other people.
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I care because it ruins the game. It makes people lazy and somehow make them entitled (see the OP of this thread) to shit they simply aren't. There should be a drive to improve, become better and reach for other parts of the game. It's really not THAT hard to pug normal mode, if you truly want to get the achievements, loot or explore the story.
But I'm glad that the ilvl of the LFR tool is so low that it's basically useless for the majority of players. Mythics and mythic+ are luckily way better, and I hope they continue this trend. Being able to do the legendary chain in LFR in the previous expansions was a big mistake, and luckily they've realised that now.