The excessive timesinks this expansion. How do you deal with it?

[Deleted]

[QUOTE=clevin;42574592]And you CHOOSE TO DO THAT. Don't want to do it? Too much of a burden? DONT FUCKING DO IT. But don't freely choose to do something then bitch about it. that's just silly.[QUOTE]



Yes i choose to do that, i want to do that, and i am not bitching about it not even in the least, in fact i am very happy i have a very simple way of not having to pay a sub for playing the game never again.
I was simply pointing out it is gonna take more than 5 minutes per day, doing the whole alt golding, but in no way i am bitching because i am getting a ton of gold again like in WOD

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Time for you to move on, bud. If a game has become nothing more then a burden...you find a new game.

I think i must have chosen my words very poorly to give the feeling i think of it as a burden.
It is not a burden, it is an easy way of playing the game for free, i am very happy i am provided with this tool, i only wanted to say it is gonna take a little more than 5 minutes per day, but in no way i think of it as a burden, i do it only because i want and it is uber rewarding

[Vaelorian]

The pressures of raiding often turn what is supposed to be fun into a part-time job and people react to it like that. I can't even start to tell you the number of times I've seen people complain about the game who also call it work. Jumping off the gear treadmill and not worrying overly much about raiding can really refresh a perspective on the game. I'm not criticizing anyone here, we all like different stuff. I couldn't make a real raid team if I wanted to due to my real life commitments so I play three days a week and right now that seems right and is fun. And unlike Warlords, I really do have a pretty wide variety of things to select from when I settle down to play. Best of both worlds really.

Before I treated WOW like a second or rather my first job. I found it more important then basically anything in the world for the better part of 8 years. I was burned at the end of Wrath but gained my second wind at Cata launch. Though I never called it work. It was the thing I enjoyed the most and nothing could beat it.
Then I met my girlfriend/fiancee and started living in the real world. WoD was the time I was drawn back into the game. But it was a major let down. Raiding was great but it was a heavy tax on my relationship.... and I felt split between wanting to play and hating to play. I found out that I played because it was a lifestyle I had for so long. And it was something I could not easily get free off. WoD paved the way for me to let go of the game (not the forum :P ) in a raiding sense.

But I still feel very much attached to WoW. And Legion sofar seems great for a player like myself currently. I log on for max 8 hours a week at irregular hours (could be days I don't play or every day 30 min). And I don't really socialise anymore ingame. If you are not raiding... and play at irregular hours... who is going to be "friends" right? Only the poeple from my past when I was raiding are... And I accept that. Fortunately for me (sadly for the game) there are far more things now that you can do solo.

[tikcol]

There is no such thing as a timesink in Legion. If you have time to spare you can enjoy running dungeons 24/7 and hunt for those titanforge rolls, if you don't you don't.

Nothing forces you to be 895 ilevel just because you can get them from HC dungeons. Content is a bit gated behind ilevels, you're right. But if all you do is run mythic dungeons, you won't ever need 895 ilevel.

This RNG is nothing but a carrot on a stick, not a timesink. If you see it like that, then the anxiety must be killing you

[Deleted]

there are far more things now that you can do solo.

Yeah, i am loving the game right now and playing a ton of hours, but if i had to play it solo all the time i guess i would quit playing it.
This game without friends to play it with is simply not worthy; i get you play at very irregular hours, but even if you are only gonna do solo activities you´d better join a guild, at least for having the guild chat doing some company to you.

[Vaelorian]

Yeah, i am loving the game right now and playing a ton of hours, but if i had to play it solo all the time i guess i would quit playing it.
This game without friends to play it with is simply not worthy; i get you play at very irregular hours, but even if you are only gonna do solo activities you´d better join a guild, at least for having the guild chat doing some company to you.

yeah fortunately I still have that and we do "chat" - I mean I am included still in those conversations etc. So it is ok.

[squeekinator]

Are people really starting to complain because theres too much to do in game?


Jesus fuck, some people will just never be satisfied.

[Deleted]

Legion is still a huge step up from WoD, but it isn't without its problems.

Yes but i think linear questing when leveling is not one of them, i think almost everyone who levels a lot of alts ends up building a very linear route for leveling alts, because doing quests you have already done is faster, and because when it is optional there are zones that simply are not to your liking.

[MasterOfNone]

The problem isn't necessarily choice, its gating. If I want to focus only on resources or ap or whatever, I get behind on profs or whatever and have to go back and do them anyway. It's a false illusion of choice currently. When you decide to change (using that whole choice thing you think you are getting), you have to go back and do it all over anyway because it's massively gated behind quests. Especially for professions. It's not a good design. This expansion kills the desire to play alts for me because the amount of shit I HAVE to do. Even to be competitive in dungeons etc.

[Vaelorian]

Are people really starting to complain because theres too much to do in game?


Jesus fuck, some people will just never be satisfied.

people are actually complaining that what they do is not enjoyable after an X amount of time. And that the things that they do like take too long to complete.

I am not saying I agree. But this is the complaint. It is a little more nuanced then saying that the game has too much content.

[Icaras]

I just set my missions/research and then don't think about it. I check at the start of the day before I go to work and when I do eventually log in, but otherwise it hasn't really been an issue for me.
It was a little annoying to have to wait, but I would have been playing the entire time anyway, so it doesn't really worry me.

[Dystemper]

It is not a matter of too much or too little to do. It is a matter of is it worth it to do and is it fun, or is it a repetative grind that sucks the soul out of you. The WQ where pretty good for a bit, until they all started repeating over and over. The rewards make doing LFR obsolete. The rewards for the Emissary caches are laughable unless the RNG gods smile o you and you get something rare or useful. Professions like BS and LW quickly became useless as no one needs the crafted gear , even fully upgraded.

My guild had a couple hundred people at the start of Legion, now one month in, we are down to maybe 40 . I understand that we would see a drop off, but this is a bigger drop off then WOD was at the same time. Very few have a desire to level up alts. MOst have quit because of the Class pruning and feel that their favorite class has been gutted. Many left because the sheer amount of RNG on gear and even abilities made the classes no longer fun.

Blizzard does nothing in moderation, the just go from one extreme to another. And the gated content this patch is just crazy.
The legion zones while nice, are very small. The treasue chests were not really worth seeking out because they al have about the exact same thing in each. And with the Broken Isles being so small, not even really a incentive to get pathfinder to learn flying . What is there to fly too, more WQ?
Legion is turning out to be WOD version 2. Wod had stuff to do that was not rewarding or fun. Legion has MORE stuff to do that has become not rewarding or fun. But we have a new class.
And for all of Blizzards talk about not messing with the classes, they pretty much just ignored it. Unless some really big content patches hit that really add depth to the story and rewarding content, the game is going to continue to bleed subs. Who wants to be grinding AP for every alt, or every off spec? Thats a fun killer right there

[Deleted]

It's so funny to see people for YEARS on these forums complaining about nothing to do and now for atleast the next 2 years I now have to deal with people bitching and crying about TOO much to do. Their is just no pleasing you people.

What is more sad is that the forum is filled with people, moderators included apparently, that refuse to read more than one sentence, or most often more than the title even and immediately start laughing at people calling them "whiners". It shows a character of narcissism, that they are grasping at any chance they get to feel superior. If you did the least effort to read the OP you would see that I have already stopped grinding this expansion, I already understand the virtues of not giving a fuck about excessive grinding in return for minor gains and it was a question, not a blizzard directed complain, there are official channels for that, I don't need you to listen to complains, you are not a dev, you will do nothing about them, so it would be stupid to complain to you and expect game changes when we already have access to channels that reach the devs.

[Kokolums]

Are people really starting to complain because theres too much to do in game?


Jesus fuck, some people will just never be satisfied.

It was never a question of not enough content or too much content. Legion has plenty of content but the game itself is totally antisocial so all of that content feels soulless and vapid. My favorite moments as a player all involved fun times WITH OTHER PLAYERS in a community setting. Not some random people here or there I'll never see again. Not solo.

Unfortunately, Blizzard doesn't see the problem either. When YOU miss it, that's fine you are just a poster on a forum. But the company is missing the target which really hurts.

[Deleted]

No, it's a complaint. You don't NEED to do it all.

Go read what a strawman argument is because you are guilty of it. If you did the least effort to read beyond the first sentence or even the title of the thread - a mistake many users do in this forum - you would see I have already stopped grinding because I understand the virtues of not giving a fuck after a point. It would be stupid to claim that I feel a need to do them all when I already told you I do not do them all, actively, but you would knew that if you did read what you are replying to.

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It was never a question of not enough content or too much content. Legion has plenty of content but the game itself is totally antisocial so all of that content feels soulless and vapid. My favorite moments as a player all involved fun times WITH OTHER PLAYERS in a community setting. Not some random people here or there I'll never see again. Not solo.

Unfortunately, Blizzard doesn't see the problem either. When YOU miss it, that's fine you are just a poster on a forum. But the company is missing the target which really hurts.

Go join a guild or make a guild. Being non-social in this game is almost exclusively your responsibility. What do you want, Blizzard to force people to make groups at everything? That would be pain and bad socially too. If you actually wanted to socialize you would, so don't blame the game for your character.

[Kokolums]

What really sucks is Blizzard apparently listened to the people who said content droughts is the problem. It wasn't the problem. The antisocial nature of the game is the problem. People are getting bored even with tons of stuff to do because THERE IS NO HUMAN ELEMENT IN THE GAME ANYMORE. Go solo, queue this. Queue that. Play with randoms you never see again. Terrible.

[SoundOfGuns]

I actually just do 5mans when it suits me. Doing Mythic+ with people is kinda fun, but its nothing i permanently pursue. My focus is raiding, a bit of PVP and RP now and again. But yea... i admit the World-Quest-for-Repu is kind of... very timesinky and grindy. They could have solved that better but you got to admit its better than doing the same dailies over and over and over and over and over AND OVER again which we did in everys other addon before. I think its the better solution to what was there before really, if we HAVE to have reputation rubbish which i honestly despise since classic. Other than that im still good. Was mad happy finding my Hidden Artifact even tho it was a lot of mob-grinding.

[Deleted]

What really sucks is Blizzard apparently listened to the people who said content droughts is the problem. It wasn't the problem. The antisocial nature of the game is the problem. People are getting bored even with tons of stuff to do because THERE IS NO HUMAN ELEMENT IN THE GAME ANYMORE. Go solo, queue this. Queue that. Play with randoms you never see again. Terrible.

Join a guild. What do you want Blizzard to do? Force people into groups? That would be stupid since people might not want to do it. They would hate the game more. Find a guild, have fun in it, go on. That's how to socialize.

[Kokolums]

Go join a guild or make a guild. Being non-social in this game is almost exclusively your responsibility. What do you want, Blizzard to force people to make groups at everything? That would be pain and bad socially too. If you actually wanted to socialize you would, so don't blame the game for your character.

I've heard this response a thousand times already on this forum. My answer is the same. YES you must FORCE people to be social. There cannot be an OPTION for antisocial play. The reason is if you give that option, the players will TAKE it. And as it happens, it is a terribly unhealthy playstyle that actually kills the game because the in-game community will unravel. Options for solo play, unfortunately, hurt EVERYONE. I have nothing against solo play when I say this. If you want to do a crossword by yourself, wonderful. I just realize the truth, that solo play must go. Solo play kills an MMO.

If you want progression, you join the in-game community, interact with other players, build relationships. if you don't want to do that, then an MMO is not for you.

[Deleted]

YES you must FORCE people to be social.

That's just stupid. If people want alone time they will hate the game. There is plenty to do now with a guild group so there is 0 room to blame Blizzard for your lack of socializing. Have you tried running 5mans in Legion with keystones? They can be practically neverending. Claiming you can't make groups of people most of the time is wrong. Right now you can spend 24 hours a day on content that needs a social group and still not run out of sources of gains.

[Thelin]

Almost-neverending world quests

Practically-neverending 5mans

Neverending sources of warforged gear chances up to mythic ilevel and chances for legendary items each.


I personally started not doing world quests that much. It started with not caring about rep, then it moved to not doing gold and resources missions, and now I moved to not caring about the AP quests either, the lower ones at least. There is simply too much going on to find it sane to grind all those sources of gains.

lets see;

All optional. They're only a timesink if you make them into one. I've slowed down on WQ's and since I'm exalted with suramar I don't even bother with ancient mana or withered training anymore.

I pretty much just do the 4 box quests each day and any quest that awards more than 400 order resources, 1k AP and that's pretty much it.