MH17 missile 'came from Russia', Dutch-led investigators say

[Ulmita]

MH17 missile 'came from Russia', Dutch-led investigators say





International prosecutors investigating the downing of flight MH17 over eastern Ukraine in 2014 say the missile that hit the plane was fired from territory controlled by Russian-backed rebels.


They said the missile launcher was brought into Ukraine from Russia.
All 298 people on board the Boeing 777 died when it broke apart in midair flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.
Relatives told the BBC that prosecutors said they would investigate about 100 people over the incident.


"They told us how the Buk was transported [and] how they came to that evidence from phone taps, photo, film material, video," Robby Oehler, whose niece was killed in the crash, told the BBC.


Russia has disputed claims that the missile was fired by rebels in eastern Ukraine.
The Dutch-led Joint Investigation Team (JIT) consists of prosecutors from the Netherlands, Australia, Belgium, Malaysia and Ukraine.


"Based on the criminal investigation, we have concluded that flight MH17 was downed by a Buk missile of the series 9M83 that came from the territory of the Russian Federation," chief Dutch police investigator Wilbert Paulissen said.
The missile launcher was later taken back to Russia, he said.


An inquiry by the Dutch Safety Board last year found that a Russian-made Buk missile hit the plane but did not say where it was fired from.
The JIT investigation's findings are meant to prepare the ground for a criminal trial but suspects will not be named.


Many witnesses

Prosecutors played recordings from intercepted phone calls during their news conference.
They said witnesses reported seeing the missile launcher move from Russia into Ukraine and presented pictures and videos.
The launch site was pinpointed by "many witnesses", prosecutors said,


Separatist rebels have denied they were involved.
"We never had such air defence systems, nor the people who could operate them," Eduard Basurin, military deputy operational commander at the rebel Donetsk People's Republic, told the Interfax news agency.
"Therefore we could not have shot down the Boeing [flight MH17]."
Earlier this week, Russia said it had radar data showing that the missile was not fired from rebel-held territory.
The JIT does not yet have access to that data, prosecutors said.

Link to article: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37495067


I have been saying this in the original thread and i will say it once more. The responsible for this incident needs to pay.

[JohnBrown1917]

Russia will keep denying it no matter what, so its not like much will change, sadly.

Those responsible will never see court.

[Independent voter]

Russia will keep denying it no matter what, so its not like much will change, sadly.

Those responsible will never see court.

Stranger things have happened.

[Deleted]

Maybe it will give the people some closure. There won't be any concequences though.

And it's still an accident in the end. It might have been better if the Russians just confirmed it as such and came clean instead of this tiresome denial act.

[Azadina]

Stranger things have happened.

Than Russia admitting it's actions, and being held accountable for them?

Strange things I've seen, that one I haven't.

[zmp]

A missile that is brought from Russia and used by an Ukrainian "freedom fighter", will obviously come from Russia.

Next...

[Crispin]

Big surprise.. not.

[JohnBrown1917]

That's because we keep supporting those responsible, we even tried to make a treaty with them.

With the Russians? We never did that.

[GennGreymane]

This image is my shock
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUqx0mMXAAYja-T.jpg:large

who would have guessed it was a Russian missle......

[Gref]

Russia will never accept that. Never.

[Dsonsion]

The source isn't RT, so it's a biased source anyway.

[Skroe]

The noose around the War Criminal Vladmir Putin tightens.

This is truly the most shocking news I've heard since.... jeez I was thinking of something funny to say and came up empty handed.

I just have to wonder... on what alternate universe are the Putnistias and their useful idiots living in when they actually thought that the Summer of Obfuscation they lived in was actually going to work.

[Cyberowl]

The noose around the War Criminal Vladmir Putin tightens.

This is truly the most shocking news I've heard since.... jeez I was thinking of something funny to say and came up empty handed.

I just have to wonder... on what alternate universe are the Putnistias and their useful idiots living in when they actually thought that the Summer of Obfuscation they lived in was actually going to work.

Implying they actually think and don't get some flashcards from lower management with all the rhetoric they are to spew this time. :P

[Skroe]

Russia will never accept that. Never.

Russia doesn't have to accept it. Russian acceptance of the facts has never been required.

It will be tarred, feathered and thrown down a flight of stairs over it just the same (in a manner of speaking).

The Ducth Investigators just handed the US and Europe all the justification it needed to tighten and / or extend sanctions even further.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/eu-exten...sis-1473937849

BRUSSELS—The European Union extended its sanctions against Russian officials and pro-Moscow separatists in Ukraine and won a legal victory as the bloc’s courts upheld an EU asset freeze on ex-Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych.
Thursday’s decision to extend the asset freezes and travel bans against Russian officials for an additional six months comes amid fresh debate within the bloc on broader economic sanctions that the EU imposed on Moscow in 2014 and that expire in January.

Those measures, alongside similar sanctions implemented by the U.S. and other governments, have dealt a blow to the Russian economy.

In 2014, following Russia’s annexation of Crimea, the EU imposed sanctions on dozens of Russian officials and Ukrainian separatists involved in the conflict in eastern Ukraine. They were accused of undermining Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity.

The bloc is renewing its asset freezes and travel bans on 146 officials and 37 firms and other entities. Among the Russians targets are Deputy Prime Ministers Dmitry Kozak and Dmitry Rogozin, who supported or helped carry out the annexation of Crimea, according to the EU. The list also includes senior Kremlin aide Vladislav Surkov.

. . .

http://www.dw.com/en/fresh-us-sancti...ers/a-19537503

Fresh US sanctions to hit Russian shipyards and chipmakers
Washington has slapped sanctions on another 81 Russian companies as a result of Moscow's role in the Ukraine conflict . Among those facing bans are chipmakers, shipyards, gas firms, and a bridge builder.

After the US Department of the Treasury had updated its list of Russian companies targeted by the sanctions last week, the Department of Commerce followed suit on Wednesday, imposing bans on dozens of Russia-based entities. The Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS) added a total of 81 companies new to its Entity List that had been introduced in 2014 after Russia annexed the Crimean peninsula from Ukraine.
The US authorities noted the banned companies were acting against "the national security or foreign policy interests of the United States."
"BIS is taking this action to ensure the efficacy of existing sanctions on the Russian Federation for violating international law and fueling the conflict in eastern Ukraine," the bureau said in the Federal Register, an official daily journal of the US administration.
Gazprom subsidiaries and Crimea developers hit
Among the companies added to the list are 51 subsidiaries of Russian gas giant Gazprom, including its main exploration assets. Gazprom itself was already hit with sanctions in September 2014.
The measures mean that US suppliers will have to get a license from BIS for equipment to be exported, reexported or transferred in Russia, "if it might be used for exploration for, or production of oil and gas in Russian deepwater or Actic offshore locations or shale formations in Russia," according to a BIS publication.
A license is also required if an exporter cannot rule out that the its goods might be used in such projects. BIS also pointed out that it will review license applications for the 51 Gazprom subsidiaries "with a presumption of denial," which in fact reduced to virtually zero the chance to acquire an export permission.

Make.Them.Poor.

[Deleted]

Hopefully this will bring some conclusion to this matter.
Unfortunately, as we can see from Skroe's ramblings, some people aren't looking for conclusions, they're just looking for trouble.

[Ulmita]

I don't think no one is blaming Russia for this. Even if Russia gave the BUK to the separatists they gave it to defend from Ukrainian airforce and not to shoot down a passenger jet. Also, until the case is brought to a court noone can say with certainty if the evidence JIT gathered are suffiecient or even relative enough and unbiased to make a decision. Nevertheless, it is of unparalleled urgency and significance the case to go to the international court. Whoever did it, needs to pay.

Lastly, skroe don't come here as an American calling others war criminals. Its beyond sad dude.

[JohnBrown1917]

Hopefully this will bring some conclusion to this matter.
Unfortunately, as we can see from Skroe's ramblings, some people aren't looking for conclusions, they're just looking for trouble.

Pretty much, We don't need to go after Putin for this, its those who fired it who are responsible.

[Kalis]

Hopefully this will bring some conclusion to this matter.
Unfortunately, as we can see from Skroe's ramblings, some people aren't looking for conclusions, they're just looking for trouble.

Now they know which group fired the missile, that should be the end of it? That is an odd finish, usually people want some justice served, not just knowing who is responsible.

[Ulmita]

Pretty much, We don't need to go after Putin for this, its those who fired it who are responsible.

And those who order to fire. So if Putin ordered to shoot it down, he is responsible too. (Not saying that he did.)

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Now they know which group fired the missile, that should be the end of it? That is an odd finish, usually people want some justice served, not just knowing who is responsible.

No no no. Next step is court. JIT is unofficial and has no jurisdiction on justice. They think that separatists shot it down, they need to bring their case to court. Thats step two.

[Deleted]

Pretty much, We don't need to go after Putin for this, its those who fired it who are responsible.

If Putin or Russia is found responsible of launching the rocket, surely we could. Not that it'd make much of a difference.

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Now they know which group fired the missile, that should be the end of it? That is an odd finish, usually people want some justice served, not just knowing who is responsible.

Who said that should be the end of it?