Fire Mage trash DPS/AoE help.

[Deleted]

wait?! you only do 900k dps on packs? i relatively easy reach 2+ million dps when im aoe bursting with FS.

I'd love to see that. Sure, I do a few mil when the tanks pulls 8-10 mobs, but at myth +8 and above, with bolstering, necrotic etc. it doesn't happen.

I'm referring to packs of 3-4 mobs, since that's what the discussion is all about.

@sosaria I've been trying to post log of our raid yesterday eveneing but I keep getting an error that uploading failed. I'll try again today with a new dungeon log. BTW, did you link the same dungeon run 11 times?

[BiggestNoob]

I'd love to see that. Sure, I do a few mil when the tanks pulls 8-10 mobs, but at myth +8 and above, with bolstering, necrotic etc. it doesn't happen.

I'm referring to packs of 3-4 mobs, since that's what the discussion is all about.

You can pull far more than that all the way up to +10. Get better tanks, or learn how to CC/kite.

I'm going to bet you weren't able to do this stuff in heroic or mythic dungeons even at 740? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XsBQ3nIQhg

It's just an L2P thing. Go fast or go home.

[Deleted]

You can pull far more than that all the way up to +10. Get better tanks, or learn how to CC/kite.

I'm going to bet you weren't able to do this stuff in heroic or mythic dungeons even at 740? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XsBQ3nIQhg

It's just an L2P thing. Go fast or go home.

A. I'm not a tank.
B. I'd love to see that and no, a shitty video of some cakewalk regular challenge mode doesn't cut it.
C. AoE "more than that" but "CC" - I know you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer; you've proven that many times already, but that's just funny ^^
D. I've actually done up to level 10, without wipes I might add (unlike the logs provided in this thread).

But hey, I must be bad because my DH tank isn't able to pull that many mobs with necrotic stacked up the wazoo.

Mate, no offence, but you've called people bad, horrible and what not so often in this single thread that it's pretty obvious you're suffering from some inferiority complex.

Seek help.

[BiggestNoob]

A. I'm not a tank.

Your team has a tank. Just FYI.

B. I'd love to see that and no, a shitty video of some cakewalk regular challenge mode doesn't cut it.

That's what mythic+ dungeons are like if you're not bad. Just FYI.

C. AoE "more than that" but "CC" - I know you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer; you've proven that many times already, but that's just funny ^^

Says the person who doesn't understand that we can do 4-6 million DPS and that more DPS = faster clears. You need to L2P. Just FYI.

D. I've actually done up to level 10, without wipes I might add (unlike the logs provided in this thread).

10 is easy. If you're not wiping and you're complaining about your DPS, thinking that Kindling is good in mythic+s, your group is absolute shit and you're moving so slow that you're likely never going to get a +15 without overgearing it, and you're basically wasting your time otherwise in farm runs.

But hey, I must be bad because my DH tank isn't able to pull that many mobs with necrotic stacked up the wazoo.

Did you miss the part in that video where the tank wasn't even being hit by big pulls half of the time? At all? Yeah you probably did because you've never actually done a speed run of anything. I'm not surprised, mythic+ is supposed to replace CM, not be the "casual slightly harder dungeons" as you seem to believe.

Mate, no offence, but you've called people bad, horrible and what not so often in this single thread that it's pretty obvious you're suffering from some inferiority complex.

That's because you're terrible at this game, in every possible way.

[Deleted]

That's what mythic+ dungeons are like if you're not bad. Just FYI.

You need to L2P.

your group is absolute shit

That's because you're terrible at this game, in every possible way.

Thanks for proving yet again that you've got issues.

I wish you all the best recuperating from this psychological malady.

[sosaria]

I'd love to see that. Sure, I do a few mil when the tanks pulls 8-10 mobs, but at myth +8 and above, with bolstering, necrotic etc. it doesn't happen.

I'm referring to packs of 3-4 mobs, since that's what the discussion is all about.

@sosaria I've been trying to post log of our raid yesterday eveneing but I keep getting an error that uploading failed. I'll try again today with a new dungeon log. BTW, did you link the same dungeon run 11 times?

Same dungeon, linked 11 times for 11 different trash mob pulls of 2-4 mobs each for better clarity as to why I'm using flamestrike rotation over the standard fireball/combust+pryo.

http://imgur.com/a/RvaA4


https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...FgJ9/#fight=18
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...done&source=12


https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...FgJ9/#fight=19
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...done&source=12


https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...FgJ9/#fight=20
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...done&source=12


https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...FgJ9/#fight=22
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...done&source=12


https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...FgJ9/#fight=23
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...done&source=12


https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...FgJ9/#fight=24
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...done&source=12


https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...FgJ9/#fight=25
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...done&source=12


https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...FgJ9/#fight=26
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...done&source=12


https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...FgJ9/#fight=27
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...done&source=12


https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...FgJ9/#fight=29
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...done&source=12

[Purpleisbetter]

I checkd only the first 3 logs because for some reason, WCL is painfully slow.

Fight lengths were 45s, 1:30 and 55s with 315k, 359 and 354k DPS. No Comb, no CiS (so it's a no comb-kindling scenario), all RoPs and PF charges used. 4, 3, 4 targets.

I pull pretty much the same exact numbers with Pyro a bit more when i get lucky with my regular raiding gear (crit mastery; too bad i don't rid with mage anylonger)

I also have built a 843ish Mastery-Crit second set; in that case Pyro at 4 or less is simply better for me, no matter what i do. With CiS the gap is even higher on trashpacks.

[sosaria]

I checkd only the first 3 logs because for some reason, WCL is painfully slow.

Fight lengths were 45s, 1:30 and 55s with 315k, 359 and 354k DPS. No Comb, no CiS (so it's a no comb-kindling scenario), all RoPs and PF charges used. 4, 3, 4 targets.

I pull pretty much the same exact numbers with Pyro a bit more when i get lucky with my regular raiding gear (crit mastery; too bad i don't rid with mage anylonger)

I also have built a 843ish Mastery-Crit second set; in that case Pyro at 4 or less is simply better for me, no matter what i do. With CiS the gap is even higher on trashpacks.

Hey Purple, thanks for the review

Are you using combustion at any point with your pyro trash rotation? Possible to get any wowlogs with your rotation?

[Deleted]

I checkd only the first 3 logs because for some reason, WCL is painfully slow.

Fight lengths were 45s, 1:30 and 55s with 315k, 359 and 354k DPS. No Comb, no CiS (so it's a no comb-kindling scenario), all RoPs and PF charges used. 4, 3, 4 targets.

I pull pretty much the same exact numbers with Pyro a bit more when i get lucky with my regular raiding gear (crit mastery; too bad i don't rid with mage anylonger)

I also have built a 843ish Mastery-Crit second set; in that case Pyro at 4 or less is simply better for me, no matter what i do. With CiS the gap is even higher on trashpacks.

I tried the Flame Strike rotation on 3-4 mobs during NL +5 a few times yesterday. I followed Sosaria's rotation to a tee but I barely reached 300k dps. Admittedly, I don't have Aftershocks. Nevertheless, I doubt this single trait will make me do 2 mil dps on 3-4 mobs like some here seem to believe.

p.s. I've been trying to upload my log all evening, but it keeps saying it failed.

[Purpleisbetter]

Hey Purple, thanks for the review

Are you using combustion at any point with your pyro trash rotation? Possible to get any wowlogs with your rotation?

Ofc no combustions. With it i end a 4 target cleave of a 1min duration around 520.

It's quite interesting to see that's a scenario where FS and Pyro produce fairly similar numbers; at this point i wouldn't be surprised if someone maths out that FS pulls ahead from 5 targets and more.

I also suspect that the less mastery we have, the stronger is FS relative to Pyro, so this might change once we sit at 880 gear.

Gotta say the spike damage is MUCH higher with FS. I knew that but hell...that's lot more then i expected.
@mascarpwn

FS at 4 target is definitively viable and from the log of Sosaria, very predictable which is a plus without any doubt.

i also don't have aftershocks; whether it's small or big, it makes an impact (pun intended?).

I will log some fights asap; as soon as i can play my mage a bit more.

[Deleted]

Ofc no combustions. With it i end a 4 target cleave of a 1min duration around 520.

It's quite interesting to see that's a scenario where FS and Pyro produce fairly similar numbers; at this point i wouldn't be surprised if someone maths out that FS pulls ahead from 5 targets and more.

I also suspect that the less mastery we have, the stronger is FS relative to Pyro, so this might change once we sit at 880 gear.

Gotta say the spike damage is MUCH higher with FS. I knew that but hell...that's lot more then i expected.
@mascarpwn

FS at 4 target is definitively viable and from the log of Sosaria, very predictable which is a plus without any doubt.

i also don't have aftershocks; whether it's small or big, it makes an impact (pun intended?).

I will log some fights asap; as soon as i can play my mage a bit more.

Aye, well without it's absolutely not worth it. I do triple the damage with combustion on every other pull.

[BiggestNoob]

Aye, well without it's absolutely not worth it. I do triple the damage with combustion on every other pull.

Your pulls are taking too long.

How are those 1 chests?

[Purpleisbetter]

Forgot to put logs on -.- .

Well, i tried FS some more.

FS at 4 targets is more then simply viable way of doing damage. I'm genuinely more confused then ever before.

[Deleted]

Your pulls are taking too long.

How are those 1 chests?

With my group always 3 up to +5/6. Usually 2 with 7 and 8. Anything above that we haven't managed more than 1.

[Deleted]

I doubt this single trait will make me do 2 mil dps on 3-4 mobs like some here seem to believe.

There's a lot of nonsense from people looking at the first 2 seconds and thinking that means anything important. It's the total damage where it's at. If one wants to do serious research about it, simcraft has a method to add adds, that last for a certain time only and they can be a certain number, spawning periodically.

Similar nonsense is heard when the Arcane burst is discussed.

[arandan]

Your pulls are taking too long.

How are those 1 chests?

The amount of bs you keep spewing in this thread tells me you've never done 10+ on time.
With current gear it is impossible to mass pull on 10+ in over 50% of possible keys you get, and pulls DO take a long time, sometimes you even need to cc (hello hov with teeming), hence why kindling in vastly superior in those instances.

There is a difference between theory and reality pal, what separates good players from the rest, is the ability to adapt, instead of crunching numbers and trying to sound smart.
Why don't you put your proverbial pen and paper down, go 'rush' hov 10+ with necrotic + fortified + raging and provide a video. Then we can talk fruitcake.

[Grusalugg]

Hello guys, after all changes we have with mage, is there any change to aoe-trash rotations? or they are still the same as ppl suggested on the first page?

(this may be a necro but I didn't want to create another thread)

[Zenfoldor]

Hello guys, after all changes we have with mage, is there any change to aoe-trash rotations? or they are still the same as ppl suggested on the first page?

(this may be a necro but I didn't want to create another thread)

From 2016?

Lemme think:

1. Pot of prolonged power is cheap and can be used on trash
2. AF is a new talent that should be used in combination with helm lego, as always try to empower DB any way you can, helm plus this talent is awesome
3. You MUST get Pharamere's Forbidden Grimoire if you want to god mode heavy trash pulls, it's awesome
4. IMHO currently flame patch is still great and under rated on 3-5 targets. I'm not sure when the OP starts, but when legion launched, FP was super OP, then it was nerfed, most people ran and still run living bomb, but FP wins out in a lot of scenarios, particularly on Botanist

Good luck!

[Grusalugg]

From 2016?

Lemme think:

1. Pot of prolonged power is cheap and can be used on trash
2. AF is a new talent that should be used in combination with helm lego, as always try to empower DB any way you can, helm plus this talent is awesome
3. You MUST get Pharamere's Forbidden Grimoire if you want to god mode heavy trash pulls, it's awesome
4. IMHO currently flame patch is still great and under rated on 3-5 targets. I'm not sure when the OP starts, but when legion launched, FP was super OP, then it was nerfed, most people ran and still run living bomb, but FP wins out in a lot of scenarios, particularly on Botanist

Good luck!

thank you for the insight

[pkm]

Hello guys, after all changes we have with mage, is there any change to aoe-trash rotations? or they are still the same as ppl suggested on the first page?

(this may be a necro but I didn't want to create another thread)

MAY be a necro? Do you not see the dates? No idea why you didn't want to start another thread as this was well and truly buried.