Gadaffi was actually better than for Libya than Mandela was for South Africa if you look at quality of life improvements
Gadaffi was actually better than for Libya than Mandela was for South Africa if you look at quality of life improvements
What is ''far fetching'' and ''insane'' and ''SJW'' in saying that Khadaffi-the-secular-that-fight-terrorists had on his payroll a legion of incompetent islamist merccenaries that were used to destabilized African countries that clearly not needed that ?
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They also buy thousands of tanks (it's not a figure of speech-2500 tanks in 1970 for Lybia) from '' a certain country'' and as they keep losing them to poor maintenance and enemy action, they have to buy new equipment all the time...
Hmf...can't say much about Kadaffi, but Saddam was always playing religious groups against each other, keeping them off-balance. He initially kept Al-Qaeda in check (death sentence for much of that group from what I recall), and ISIS would never have been tolerated.
Sure, Saddam was a bad guy, but he was a bad guy that loved US weapons and for most of the time would kowtow to US interests.
Which weapon we ''gave'' to Iraq ? (Hint : that was limited to satellite intelligence, that Saddam did not used because his airforce was unable to perform air recon of even the most juicy targets revealed to him)
And FTR, contrary to common conspiracy bordering knowledge, no, Saddam was not ordered to invade Iran. Iran was a relatively homogeneous (for the region) country three times larger in population than deeply divided Iraq (atlough Saddam purges killed way more Shias than Iranian attacks), with a large if purged military that the US had trained up to the recent years. The Iraki army was incompetent even for the region. AKA, the result of an Iraqi attack on Iran were obvious from the get go.
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"secular" is a pretty loose term in that part of the world, Saddam saw himself as a modern day Saladin before we rofl stomped him.
I'd also argue that Saddam was indeed, somewhat religious. At some of his palaces he had man made lakes with little islands set up on them. On those islands were harems of underage girls that he and his sons would rape. They believes that if sins were committed on or around those waters that they wouldn't be counted against them.
Saddam Husseain has always been friendly to the US. Heck, Hussein was on the CIA's payroll for years.
Reigle Report from the Senate Banking Committee that analyzed the US' exports of warfare-related goods to Iraq.
The UK aided Iraq in building a chemical plant in Iraq despite being fully aware that Saddam Hussein gassed Iranian troops in the 1980s.
The administrations of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush authorized the sale of poisonous chemicals and deadly biological viruses such as anthrax and bubonic plague.
The Iraq Debacle was nothing more than some lame excuse...and all for nothing. Unless the ultimate goal was to install a radicalized religious regime.
Seems they are well on their way, with the likes of the Sadrist Movement, Islamic Supreme Council making gains.
So...Mission accomplished in that regard.
Wow, if the eeevil Americans and British enabled Saddam by selling him a few helicopters and the like, then the dudes that sold him thousands of crummy tanks and obsolete aircraft just good enough to bomb Kurd villages must be superevil....
I think this mostly comes from them being replaced by religious fanatics, who want to found a Califate and kill all non believers.
Non of the "stable" dictatorships in the middle east (or anywhere?) have been secular - division between state and anything is a democratic principle and doesnt really exist in dictatorships - but they mostly did what they did in order stay in power, not to please some god.
So maybe lets call it less zealous? Otherwise I feel like discussing if Charlie Sheen or Paris Hilton is more virgin like^^
"And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five?
A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head."
I find it striking that when comparing general nuttiness, Brexit falls in line with the Middle East. If that qualifies as the equivalence, you have successfully made my case that the gap is enormous.
I can't say I'm terribly impressed by the excuse that bad things happened hundreds of years ago. Apologia for modern barbarism isn't great.
If you're as scared of creationists as you are of people that actually burn people alive, you're just being melodramatic.
In case that was really a question:For the life of me I can't understand how the left can excuse modern day fundamental Islamic crimes against humanity because "Christians used to do it"
As far as I can tell, this used to be a part of the following argument going:
Christian guy: "Islam is fundamentaly flawed cannot be saved and is worse than Christianity. We Christians are simply better people than muslims."
Left wing guy: "Christians used to do the same shit and were just as bad then as parts of the Muslim world are now. Just because parts of the muslim world are inexcusably fucked up right now, doesnt mean they cannot become better in the future or that we, under the right circumstances, couldnt slide right back into our old habits. We arent better people than muslims."
And then the internet happened.
"And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five?
A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head."
Still sounds like an excuse, essentially the left seems to be giving extremist islam a pass because "derp the crusades derp"
Either we, collectively, condemn evil and confront it, or we don't.
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So...I want to make sure we are clear here.
WAterboarding known terrorists is just as bad as burning people alive in metal cages, throwing gays off rooftops, raping 8 year olds, enslavement, and stomping on babies?
You might notice that the OP was not about ''left vs right'' but about how supposedly ''secular and fighting islamists'' Khadaffi had a Gargamel-level of incompetence outfit called the ''Islamic Legion'', which was all about helping african nutjobs being more nutjoby.