Most people would rather die than think, and most people do. -Bertrand Russell
Before the camps, I regarded the existence of nationality as something that shouldn’t be noticed - nationality did not really exist, only humanity. But in the camps one learns: if you belong to a successful nation you are protected and you survive. If you are part of universal humanity - too bad for you -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
"stop puting you idiotic liberal words into my mouth"
-ynnady
Most people would rather die than think, and most people do. -Bertrand Russell
Before the camps, I regarded the existence of nationality as something that shouldn’t be noticed - nationality did not really exist, only humanity. But in the camps one learns: if you belong to a successful nation you are protected and you survive. If you are part of universal humanity - too bad for you -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Why would the media not report on a presidential candidate openly bragging about sexually assaulting women?
What you may be failing to understand is that just because you either don't care about the sexual assault of women, or you want to sexually assault women, or you like the idea that women get sexually assaulted, whatever your personal reason for not caring about that is, OTHER people, and especially women, find it of particular interest if a presidential candidate, who will be in charge of federal law enforcement, sexually assaults women.
"stop puting you idiotic liberal words into my mouth"
-ynnady
I believe the term you're looking for is Unwanted Sexual Advances. Those advances, if done in a manner that pushes past the point that the woman has asked the man to stop may turn into charges such as sexual assault, or sexual harassment. As of now, even the media is on board that the way to describe these actions are unwanted sexual advances until a pattern that shows some kind of criminality actually occurred to the statutes of a particular crime, such as sexual assault or sexual harassment. From what I've heard from the womens stories, it seems more like he was very quick to move in for a kiss or physical touching, but as soon as they said no, he backed off. If they said no, and he forcefully proceeded, you have a case for criminal action, until then, you just have a lewd man.
It's kind of offensive to victims of real sexual assault to equate something like a kiss from a man you had no interest in on your first in person meeting, to the actions that constitute sexual assault.
Last edited by Narwal; 2016-10-24 at 07:46 PM.
I genuinely cannot imagine anyone taking O'Keefe seriously at this point. I mean I suppose there will always be someone who goes and begrudgingly sees if the wolf is there this time, and naturally there was nothing of real substance in his videos.
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If there wasn't explicit consent, then it's sexual assault. I agree there's no grounds to call this sexual harassment, but he absolutely committed sexual assault, at least under federal law, states may vary of course.
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http://www.tampabay.com/news/politic...ump-of/2299905
"Kristin Anderson told the Washington Post that Trump put his hand up her skirt, touching her vagina through her underwear, during a brief encounter in a Manhattan nightclub in the early 1990s."
That's sexual assault.
"In one 1992 incident, Harth alleged, Trump put his hand up her skirt to her crotch under a table while dining with her and her boyfriend. In 1993, she alleged that while giving her a tour of Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, he pushed her against a wall of the room being used as daughter Ivanka's bedroom and began kissing her."
That's sexual assault.
"About 1997, Cathy Heller told the Guardian that she was attending a Mother's Day brunch at Mar-a-Lago when she was introduced to Trump, who she said grabbed her and moved to kiss her on the mouth. She said she leaned back to avoid him, but Trump exclaimed "Oh come on," and then held her firmly while he kissed her on the side of her mouth for an uncomfortably long moment."
That's sexual assault.
"Jessica Leeds told the New York Times that she was seated next to Trump in the first-class cabin of an airplane in the early 1980s when he lifted the armrest between them and began groping her breasts and trying to put his hand up her skirt. "
That's sexual assault.
"Mindy McGillivray told the Palm Beach Post that Trump groped her buttocks when she attended an event at Mar-a-Lago in 2003. Then 23, McGillivray said the incident occurred as she stood with a photographer friend who was working at the event, a concert by Ray Charles. She said Trump gave her a "pretty good nudge — more of a grab" at the event as she stood in a group of people. The photographer, Ken Davidoff, confirmed to the Palm Beach Post that McGillivray immediately told him that Trump had grabbed her. Trump's campaign has denied the account."
That's sexual assault.
"In an article posted to the website of People magazine, Natasha Stoynoff wrote that she was a reporter for the magazine assigned to the Trump beat when she visited Trump's Florida estate, Mar-a-Lago, in December 2005 to write a story about his first anniversary with wife Melania. She wrote that while Melania was upstairs changing, Trump pushed her against a wall and kissed her, "forcing his tongue down my throat."
That's sexual assault.
"Karena Virginia, 45, a yoga instructor from New Jersey, appeared at a news conference with lawyer Allred on Oct. 20 to accuse Trump of groping her in 1998. She said she encountered Trump outside the U.S. Open tennis tournament, while both were waiting to be picked up by town cars. She had never met Trump but said he began commenting on her appearance to a group of men before approaching her, putting his arm around her and reaching down to touch her breast."
That's sexual assault.
"A former contestant on the television show The Apprentice, Zervos held a news conference alongside Allred, the famed women's rights lawyer, Gloria on Oct. 14 to accuse Trump of aggressively kissing her and groping her breasts during a 2007 meeting that took place when she sought a job at the Trump Organization."
That's sexual assault.
"stop puting you idiotic liberal words into my mouth"
-ynnady
Some of those I would describe as assault, so I guess my initial post was wrong, I wasn't aware of the details of all of them. My mind focused on the last one you posted, since it was the most recent and I heard her giving this interview live. She was not forced there, she was not held against her own will, he stopped when she made it clear she did not want his advances. Does it suck that she thought Trump was going to make her rich and he didn't? Sure. Look, sexuality is used by a lot of people to get what they want. She may not use it, but a lot of woman do. There are cases of men using sex to their advantage as well. I'm quite sure, that in a billionaires world, sex is traded as a commodity. If this had happened to her in an office building, she might have a case... but she went to the mans hotel room ffs. It's also peculiar that her "story" about unwanted sexual advances included her describing all of the DNC talking points against Trump. Why would she describe during her account of "sexual assault" that Donald Trump offered to help her commit tax fraud/evasion?
By no means does it. However, it shows that this was a private, intimate meeting. This was not a public meeting, this was not a meeting in a "business" setting. She wasn't an employee of his. And it's very hard to prove your intent of meeting him, when you're meeting him in a private intimate setting, where as you could have requested a business setting.
I'm laughing how people are saying "well, it must be fake, because it's O'Keefe"
So what if it's fucking O'Keefe. Didn't they say what they did in the video? This thread is full of AD HOMINEMS (targeting O'Keefe), but it's nothing special, liberals usually resort to logical fallacies when they're losing.
Yes, actually. It's pretty common to fire employees when they're involved in a scandal, whether it's a fictitious scandal or not. The bad press isn't worth keeping them on, usually, even if they've done nothing wrong.
Again, we won't know until we have the full, unedited videos. But O'Keefe is unlikely to release those until after the election, otherwise his bullshit would be confirmed even sooner.
"So what" is that he's been shown to lie through his teeth multiple times already, leading to financial penalties for doing so.
If he wants people to believe him, he can release the full, unedited videos.