I thought her struggle with Greymane in Stormheim was good old fashioned devious Sylvanas.
Her as Warchief still seems a bit like a PG version of Sylvanas. I'm hoping once the dust settles on Legion we'll see her return to form a bit.
We have both a novel and a quest that are lore, which indicate that the state of afterlife is defined by the character's actions prior to reaching that very same afterlife.
The "hell" version of afterlife is probably an automatic one for all undead as their passing into afterlife has been obstructed by necromancy. As such, their very presence among the living can be considered a "sin". Not that hard to figure out. I guess there is a way to redeem oneself in the Warcraft universe, but so far none of Sylvanas' actions point her in that direction.
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Oh my.
Suddenly, one day, 99.7% of the Lich King's death knights broke free.
Clearly, the lich king was keylogged
It's probably also good to mention that in warcraft, afterlifes aren't all powerful like they are in other literatures. There's quite a few of them aswell and they can be artificially created.
Blizzard probably needs to sit down and explain them better, because as far as we know, there's no actual afterlife that is absolute.
Halls of Valor
Helheim
Paradise
Shadow Lands
Twisting Nether(it's like killing a demon, they go to hell and then later find their way back to earth)
Emerald Dream
That massive world tree or whatever, that Avianna oversees that all flying creatures supposedly go to when they die on Azeroth
The Elemental plane
Each planets spiritual afterlife(Azeroth and Draenor both have spirits/ancestors that shamans and shit can talk to)
And probably a few more.
I outright quoted the part of the questline that covered this. How are you incapable of grasping it? Him being undead slave of the Lich King for a second was an issue that Tirion aimed to prevent. Because it was a fate unbecoming of a Paladin, especially one so devout.
Again, the questline doesn't say what afterlife he'd go to if we killed him after he turned undead. Not even once. And considering that normal people dying go to Shadowlands which aren't exactly a paradise, it's kinda clear that A'dal did something special. Which still doesn't mention shit about the afterlife he'd go to if killed after becoming undead. And A'dal wasn't contacted to take his soul anywhere anyway. Tirion had no way of knowing that would happen. The goal of the questline was curing him. Words, how do they work.
Also, it seems I overestimated you when I pointed out the required step for undeath to you (i.e. dying). I expected you to connect the dots from there on your own, but once again I've been shown that holding any expectations for your cognitive functions is futile. Afterlife is nothing more than the concept of life after death. Doesn't have to be paradise or any other type of external realm/plane of existence.
We have no idea why Sylvanas and Arthas went where they did. You're speculating.
So which one is it? People go to that void because of their actions or because they have been resurrected into undeath? Your headcanon isn't even consistent with itself.
In the Warcraft universe the afterlife, such as it is, appears to be an entirely artificial construct - moral choices only effect the ultimate destination insofar as they align an individual with one of the powers that controls one of the afterlife scenarios. Druids or servants of Ysera are pulled towards the Emerald Dream upon death. Trolls appear to be pulled into whatever plane houses the Loa, or else remain earthbound spirits that watch over their families or loved ones. Servants of the Light appear to be pulled toward it, and servants of the Old Gods or the Void are pulled in its direction.
As for Arthas in his person as the Lich King, he was steeped in Necromantic and Shadow energies - so it would make sense that his spirit would precede towards the Void on the occasion of his death. Similarly for Sylvanas, driven by the darker urges of her transformation into an undead being, the overall pull would be towards the Shadow (not discounting whatever additional stresses and strains were caused by her specific circumstances of becoming undead). It's also possible that an external party has some form of plan for Sylvanas - her soul may have been claimed by an entity with the power to influence the direction of one's soul. My personal theory is that Helya was at least partly responsible for Sylvanas' trip to the hellish shadow-underworld she experienced, and that her meeting and alliance with the Lich King's Val'kyr was no accident.
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
If the goal was solely to prevent him from turning undead, we could have easily used fire to burned his body into ash before he changed. Purging him before he became undead.
"Normal" people go to the Shadowlands, but "normal" is different than "good". Just because it is the "default" afterlife doesn't mean it's a good place. In fact, it's described as a bad place.
"...the Shadowlands represent death. They are nightmarish realms of decay, labyrinthine spiritual planes teeming with the souls of the dead who have passed from the world of the living.
The origins of the Shadowlands remain uncertain, but they have existed ever since mortal life first arose in the physical universe. Many believe that mortal souls are drawn into this dark place at the point of death, where they remain forever after. Still others hope that their souls will go to a brighter place..."
World of Warcraft: Chronicle, page 12
The use of plural implies multiple levels of the Shadowlands. The whole place is described as "nightmarish".
http://wow.gamepedia.com/Quest:By_Fire_Be_Purged
Yeah, it actually is a cure for undeath. Impossibiru!!!!!11!
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It would be a strange place if they became undead zombies too. Oh I'm sorry, were you actually being serious? Haha.
Considering that you don't know what curing means (that part is very possibru), it is indeed impossibru. How about you take basic English classes before engaging an English speaking forum with your inane lorebends supported only by you getting triggered by Sylvanas and embarrassing yourself over and over again?
Going for personal insult when lack of arguments? HahaHow about you take basic English classes before engaging an English speaking forum with your inane lorebends supported only by you getting triggered by Sylvanas and embarrassing yourself over and over again?
If it meant preventing him from becoming an undead. It would be an easier and quicker death than being tortured alive or experimented on like some NPCs suffer.
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It's a cure because if the body is burned to dust the undead won't be raised from the corpse.
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The argent Crusade isnt the player, they arent going to have their own burned alive, Tirion would smite you.Seeing as how fire mages burn people alive all the time and the player character literally kills for gold. I don't think making a hard decision like that in warcraft is crazy.
much better than "burn our crusaders alive"Convincing argument.