Final Presidential Debate - October 19, 2016

[Espe]

To argue that Trump is in worse health

The sniffling, the water guzzling, the unhinged rants on topics that have nothing to do with what's going on around him (Rosie O'Donnell? The Emmys? Raping young boys?) definitely point to serious mental and physical health issues.

Like I said, hope the little guy doesn't die, that would be so sad.

[Merkava]

And Iraq said "no". So we had to either get out, or take over the country.

Like I said, Malaki said no publically after we refused his offer of a diplomatic note for troop immunity.

[zenkai]

The sentence still doesn't make sense but ok if you say so champ.

You should slap your English Teacher then.

[DeadmanWalking]

But it wasn't a contractual obligation. The SOFA was always meant to be renegotiated. Joe Biden even bet his vice presidency on it.

And the country we negotiated with told us they didn't want to negotiate when it came time to renegotiate which kind of shuts down the whole renegotiation complaint before you can get your foot in the door. We can't make an ally that we are trying to prop up keep us in their home, they said out and we had to go.

[Espe]

You should slap your English Teacher then.

And it doesn't change the Clinton's supported it.

You sure about that?

[Enthusiastic Steward]

LOL healthers.....I don't want this election to end....it truly brings out the best in everyone.

And by best I mean worst.

To argue that Trump is in worse health than Hillary is hilarious and stupid. But keep going with your witty "healthers" motif.

Is it hilarious and stupid because nobody here can conclusively say one is any more or less healthy than the other?

[LaserSharkDFB]

LOL healthers.....I don't want this election to end....it truly brings out the best in everyone.

And by best I mean worst.

To argue that Trump is in worse health than Hillary is hilarious and stupid. But keep going with your witty "healthers" motif.

If you can watch those debates and determine that Trump was in better physical condition than Clinton, you need your eyes checked. And yes, 'healther' is an accurate label for someone who says Clinton is coughing and passing out '24/7'. She had pneumonia, then she got over it, and so should you.

[Merkava]

And the country we negotiated with told us they didn't want to negotiate when it came time to renegotiate which kind of shuts down the whole renegotiation complaint before you can get your foot in the door. We can't make an ally that we are trying to prop up keep us in their home, they said out and we had to go.

No they didn't. They met all of our requests in the summer of 2011 except for our insistence on parliamentary ratification of the immunity clause. Malaki offered a diplomatic note to cover that. We refused it. Incidentally, that's the exact type of immunity assurance that we have for our 6,000 troops there now. It wasn't good enough in 2011, but it's just fine in 2016.

[Espe]

Is it hilarious and stupid because nobody here can conclusively say one is any more or less healthy than the other?

Also because just watching the debates it seems like Trump was struggling and having serious issues with everything from completing coherent sentences to simply breathing air.

Objectively it seemed like Trump was dealing with serious mental and physical issues while Clinton just breezed through with a smile. Night and day difference.

[Breccia]

you have proof he doesn't invest in his own business?

Yes. Not only has he allowed every single of his casinos in New Jersey to go out of business, he allowed himself to collect millions in salary as he moves his personal debts into business ones, then walked away from the loss. In fact, as part of the bankruptcy settlement in 1991, 1992, 1992, 1992, 2004 and 2009, he had to lose most of his market share, meaning he had to take less personal investment in his business. That is the opposite of investing. Meanwhile the casinos bought a jet and gave it to him and threw him millions in bonuses. Also, the tax loss he claimed in 1995 probably wasn't even his own money. A law changed in 2002 that allowed him to deduct investment losses, which again, as he wasn't a major shareholder in his own casinos, let him profit from the failure. Trump doesn't even invest in his own campaign anymore, in fact, it's the reverse: he raised the rent on his properties and charged his campaign extra. He promised to pay $100 million but hasn't paid half of it, and nothing recently. And, even if you could somehow find legal forms that showed Trump putting his own money into his own businesses -- which you probably can't -- he owes a billion dollars to banks, much of it foreign, so there's no proof it was his money he put in in the first place.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/12/ny...ntic-city.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...b54_story.html
http://www.businessinsider.com/why-d...le-tax-2016-10
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/21/politi...-spending-fec/
http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2016/...umpwallst0320/

his 10 year old son isn't a dependant? you have proof of this?

Alright, I forgot about his son on "the cyber". I'll grant you that one. But if you're going that route, he has a fiduciary responsibility not to lose money for any other reason, and he didn't do that $800 million times last year alone.

his children wont inherit any of the money he doesn't pay taxes on?

You have no fiduciary responsibility to leave money for your children when they are already major players in their own businesses. They're grown adults, they have their own money, millions upon millions of it. It is completely legal, completely possible, and not completely rare, to leave money in your will to people other than your wife and children, or even just part of your family. That's not a fiduciary responsibility. Nor is he legally obligated to do so. Also, that's what life insurance is for.

[May90]

You should slap your English Teacher then.

I think you should, actually.

[zenkai]

You sure about that?

Ah, didn't notice the auto-correct made put the apostrophe in, so that's my bad, but I still have a hard time you couldn't figure out what I was getting at.

Edit: Never mind I can totally understand why you couldn't figure it out.

[Breccia]

Your selective reasoning is astounding. I bet this kid can't even vote honestly and just wants to troll at this point...

hes an banker.

[zenkai]

hes an banker.

Who's that?

[Felya]

I'm not like you or Trump.. don't worry. virtue signaled.

Signaled? No, what preceded that quote is blatant. There is no signaling the fact that Trump has never done anything to help society, if it didn't help him more. I am directly and explicitly saying I am more virtuous than Trump. It's not even anything remotely self gratifying, because you can toss a rock out your window and will hit someone more virtuous than Trump. Unscrupulous and virtue are antonyms...

no one who has ever run or will ever run for pres hasn't had tax exemptions of some kind.

Some kind? Sure... not paying any federal taxes? No, you will not find a single candidate from either party that has done this. We know this, because unlike Trump, revealing your taxes was a standard of transparency for nearly 50 years.

he said from the beginning hes taken advantage of the tax code and therefore know what parts to fix. the "I don't believe him argument" just shows bias you can say that about anyone and anything for any reason on any position. its lazy.

No, using a quote that not only I didn't say, but is the opposite of what I said, is bias. I am saying you should believe him. You should believe him when he said the only thing keeping him from contributing less, is the law. Believe him that he will cut taxes on people like him self by the largest amount in history. Believe his tax plan, where he claims corporate taxes will be so low, that he wouldn't need to use loopholes to pay nothing. I am not asking you to not believe him, I am asking you to believe him.

[alexw]

mmm. nope Im an banker for one of the countries largest banks specializing in investments.

that movie puts it in layman's terms. the practice of putting mortgages into CMO's had been happening for a long time but the restrictions kept the bubble from bursting and kept the lenders in check.

when Clinton removed the lending restrictions, it became the wild west. you could lend to low income low credit score people with 5 year arms (BAAAD BAAD loans) then they could pay a credit agency to put a high rating on the mortgage and put those mortgages in high rated cmo's which just about everyone with investments had investments in. when the 5 year arms (and similar devices) came due, people couldn't pay which made the cmo's worthless. boom, crash.

that's a simplified version but basically what happened. you wanna know how they fixed it? they REVERSED what Clinton did and put restrictions on lending. cmos still exists. credit agencies still exists. you can still invest in cmos and people still do. but now its regulated.

Lol. You are a banker and work in the finance industry yet you don't even know what fiduciary responsibility is. If you are an investment banker then I'm a rainbow powered unicorn.

[DeadmanWalking]

Okay guys, enough spell/grammar nazi's for one day, let's talk like big boys now, and by that I mean avoiding calling people cucks, correcting grammar or wishing someone grabs someones english teacher by the pussy... *ahem* I mean assault them.

[Espe]

Edit: Never mind I can totally understand why you couldn't figure it out.

The irony of you thinking the apostrophe was the only issue with that sentence then trying to take a ham-fisted jab at me is just too much.

I guess I'm just lucky I had an English teacher.

[cubby]

Really interesting article about the crowd finally laughing at Dump instead of with him.

http://www.wbur.org/cognoscenti/2016...e-steve-almond

[DeadmanWalking]

Lol. You are a banker and work in the finance industry yet you don't even know what fiduciary responsibility is. If you are an investment banker then I'm a rainbow powered unicorn.

At best I would say a 21 year old bank teller in a wells fargo chain, at worst a 17 year old with access to a computer, google and no parental supervision.