Question for Europeans

[Deleted]

What is your ideal and favoured scenario:

1. Europe unifies more than now (in terms of foreign policy, among other things), creates a military of our own, and cooperates with our European neighbour, Russia, in every way possible, whilst making sure we keep their influence in the European sphere in check, but otherwise function as good as we can. In this scenario, we protect ourselves, we influence the world stage as much as anyone, and eventually establish partnerships with Middle Eastern states so as to better our and their futures by ensuring both our and their interests are advanced and protected.

2. We keep the status quo or fragment further, keeping our alliances with America and making it our sole "protector", and being unable to have meaningful economic and geopolitical influence. This, among many other things, means we especially have little say in what is going on in the Middle East, which means we can do pretty much nothing to prevent any chaotic situation akin to the current one down there, and will have to deal possibly with even worse consequences than we do now (i.e., with the terror attacks, refugee crisis, and more).

Choose.

[nextormento]

Is there a choice that isn't superficially presented as entirely negative or entirely positive?. I'd also like my choice to be less riddled with paperthin propaganda.

[Netherspark]

I wonder how much these people get paid... is it per post or do you get an actual salary?

[Deleted]

I wonder how much these people get paid... is it per post or do you get an actual salary?

Does anybody take you seriously at this point?

[Netherspark]

Does anybody take you seriously at this point?

And what point are we at?

[Shadowferal]

Gee...a vote for unity or disunity...wtf kind of choice is this?

[Ripster42]

Does anybody take you seriously at this point?

I could ask you the same thing. If I had to guess you spend more time banned than being able to post because you act belligerent constantly. Nice false dichotomy btw.

[GodlyBob]

I could ask you the same thing. If I had to guess you spend more time banned than being able to post because you act belligerent constantly. Nice false dichotomy btw.

Better a false dichotomy than actual trigonometry. Nothing against it...I'mean just bad at it >.< not as bad as this thread, but I'm better at juggling than trig.

[Deleted]

And what point are we at?

When you are unable to grasp the meaning of a comment and dismiss it on the basis that it is slightly and barely pro-Russian and very anti-American (this is apparent), and presume that, due to this, it must be written by a propagandist, you have reached very low standards and should know that people do not take you very seriously. I don't know if you are bothered by the state of Europe and the Middle East, but as a person who cares about my continent and innocent people elsewhere, too, I sort of am. And, because I am bothered, I try to imagine the best possible solutions for Europe, and I for a certain am very aware that this nefarious path we have chosen is disgustingly harmful and unethical, and must be ended. Our reliance on a foreign entity that has virtually little to no interest in our well-being and continues endlessly to wage perpetual war in our neighbouring states so that we have to pay with our blood when terror reaches us, and become divided when we cannot decide on the future of poor people who flee war because of that diabolic entity, is a reliance that should be ended as fast as possible. It is a most disgusting form of reliance that is right about to cross the line to slavery.

You should understand why people resent the status quo, instead of making such disgusting remarks about me.

[May90]

I pick the third option: everything develops as it is now, with Western Europe featuring the highest quality of life in the known world, along with the US, Canada, Australia and a few others. And with the nationalists and doomsayers being salty, as they always are.

[Deleted]

I could ask you the same thing. If I had to guess you spend more time banned than being able to post because you act belligerent constantly. Nice false dichotomy btw.

It's not a false dichotomy as I quite clearly never said these were the only two options. But, these are the two people generally aim for. The entire EU project wants to realize the first scenario.

[Deleted]

I pick the third option: everything develops as it is now, with Western Europe featuring the highest quality of life in the known world, along with the US, Canada, Australia and a few others. And with the nationalists and doomsayers being salty, as they always are.

Why should we be salty when we're winning political ground all over Europe?

Brexit was only the beginning, enjoy

[Shadowferal]

It's not a false dichotomy as I quite clearly never said these were the only two options. But, these are the two people generally aim for. The entire EU project wants to realize the first scenario.

That's your opinion.

[Netherspark]

Stop being disgusting and people will stop remarking about you. Until then, the half-sighted biased shitpost nonsense you insist on posting will not be taken seriously, because there is nothing in it to be taken seriously.

[Deleted]

I chose another option, get europe more unified and be allies with the U.S and russia.

[Deleted]

Stop being disgusting and people will stop remarking about you. Until then, the half-sighted biased shitpost nonsense you insist on posting will not be taken seriously, because there is nothing in it to be taken seriously.

Disgusting for being... anti-American? More pro-European and pro-Russian?

This is getting sadder by the minute.

[Ripster42]

It's not a false dichotomy as I quite clearly never said these were the only two options. But, these are the two people generally aim for. The entire EU project wants to realize the first scenario.

But those are, quite clearly, the only two option on your poll. It's why it's a false dichotomy. I notice, unify non-russian europe (since they're a two continent nation, and are actively bellicose) and stay allied with the US isn't there. That's the 3rd people generally aim for. It's why people don't take you seriously. You're so biased it's unreal.

[GodlyBob]

It's not a false dichotomy as I quite clearly never said these were the only two options. But, these are the two people generally aim for. The entire EU project wants to realize the first scenario.

You might have a bit of a problem with the wording. Phrased as is its "would you prefer chocolate ice cream or for me to slowly pull out all of your nose hairs." It doesn't matter how much you might dislike chocolate, you're not going for the alternative.

[May90]

Why should we be salty when we're winning political ground all over Europe?

Brexit was only the beginning, enjoy

80 years ago "winning" didn't end well for you, and I doubt it will now.

[Deleted]

But those are, quite clearly, the only two option on your poll. It's why it's a false dichotomy. I notice, unify non-russian europe (since they're a two continent nation, and are actively bellicose) and stay allied with the US isn't there. That's the 3rd people generally aim for. It's why people don't take you seriously. You're so biased it's unreal.

Nobody wants to be allied with America in the way we are now and have a unified Europe. It's virtually impossible. The very reason behind our alliance is the fact that there's one single entity that can have the final say in every single thing, which simply isn't feasible with a unified Europe. A unified Europe would be in total opposition to America in a multitude of ways, starting with the geopolitical, where Europe would build friendships with America's enemies, to begin with.

These are the most likely scenarios, but not the only. I can't make a poll with every single possible scenario, so pretty much every poll would be a "false dichotomy". Try again.