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Red meats are a whole different kettle of fish from other forms of meat, so don't jump from omnivore to vegan as if there are no options between the two. Fish and poultry are excellent sources of nutrient and I haven't the slightest problem with reducing red meat consumption. That "most meat eaters do" anything is irrelevant to the diet... and pretty much shoots the vegan side in the head because "most vegans" fail to actually balance their diets and thus are malnourished. /shrug
The meat industry is definitely sustainable... that's an absurd declaration. If we can't keep breeding cows or chickens, we have some severe overall issues with the planet. Also you're deflecting, I didn't say meat industries have no impact, I said you focusing only on meat industries shows your bias, that's all. Thank you for proving the point though.
"We don't need to eat beans, it's simply for our pleasure, we have meat products instead!"
Spare me the suffering arguments of other sentient beings who are in no way, shape, or form the same level of sentience of any human. No living thing wants to die, that's sort of our genetic imperative to endure, but that fact (and the responses to things that threaten or cause death) do not dissuade any sort of argument from eating those animals. And I never said you can torture animals, but this is a vegan argument so I'm not entirely surprised that if I'm OK with eating a pig, I must also (somehow) be okay with torturing a pig. Even humanely treated animal farms still end with slaughter and death, and there really is no way around that.
As for using our intelligence and morals? Meat products serve us quite well in sustaining life and giving us the nutrients we otherwise cannot get from other sources... so therefore eat meat.
PS - Poor fish, never considered in these arguments ever. Probably the lack of cuddle factor... oh well. One day my friends, one day a vegan will consider your acquisition, gutting, serving, and consumption when making the "Animals are friends, not food" argument.
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It really isn't all that difficult science either, actually talk to dietitians instead of blogs and doctors with no nutritional training or expertise. Even carefully crafted vegan diets, if you're actually trying to stay true to "no animal products" as a rule, will be deficient in a number of nutrients. Deviations from the pinnacle diets always cause problems, but vegan diets start already subpar and get worse from there.
You miss my point entirely. Environmental impact is a quantitative thing, something we can measure, and something that isn't subjective. Harping upon the impacts of meat industry without also associating the impacts of simple agriculture is intellectual dishonesty. Even if every time "meat industry" is mentioned, it can be inferred that there are plant based impacts as well, that's never the point being made.
As for the pollution sources... that's a climate change argument and given your track record thus far... you're ill-equipped for that.
Dog fighting pits two animals together to savage one another, injuries being not only deliberate but the desired outcome.
Even in the worst of factory conditions, the cramped and fetid spaces are not malicious, merely neglectful. That you think they're the EXACT same thing... just indicts your own thinking. Believe "Animals are friends, not food" all you like, we're omnivores and we can and should eat them... whether they like it or not.