Dakota Pipeline Protests

[satimy]

Fuck oil and natural gas, Burn the pipes to the ground.

Natural gas is pretty clean, I can't imagine how any rational person is against natural gas

[Gamdwelf]

Natural gas is pretty clean, I can't imagine how any rational person is against natural gas

Still a combustion reaction that is relatively unnecessary.

[satimy]

Still a combustion reaction that is relatively unnecessary.

Why is combustion bad?

How is energy unnecessary?

[unbound]

This story hasn't really been getting attention.



http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...w-camp-n674066

Long story short, these has been an pretty big ongoing protest over the Dakota Access Pipeline. Protesters have been destroyin bridges, lighting stuff on fire, doing protester things. 100s of people have been arrested, even the presidential hopeful Jill Stein could be facing charges related to the protests.

Most of the protesters have been very peaceful. The "destroyin bridges, lighting stuff on fire" was the same single incident (to my knowledge the bridge was not impacted...the fire was near the bridge).

To put some balance on this, the police have been involved in several incidents of overreacting themselves with questionable activity on their handling of the situation as well.

Interestingly, the Army Corps of Engineers used Nationwide 12 permits (NWP) which is used to bypass more rigorous environmental and public review for major pipeline infrastructure projects by treating it as a smaller project. This is highly questionable and deserves investigation. BTW, the reason they started to use this unethical method is because of a Presidential Memo by Obama. (Queue cognitive dissonance by conservatives on this one)

[Gamdwelf]

Why is combustion bad?

How is energy unnecessary?

Energy isn't, but there are much better ways to get it.

[Skayth]

At this point, I would tell the native american people to use their second amendment rights, and force the oil company from the land. That, or more stars going down there to get arrested. THEN it will get national news. As it is, the corporate media will not cover anything about it, as they are being paid not too.

[Gamdwelf]

At this point, I would tell the native american people to use their second amendment rights, and force the oil company from the land. That, or more stars going down there to get arrested. THEN it will get national news. As it is, the corporate media will not cover anything about it, as they are being paid not too.

Exactly, start getting violent, or get more star power. Shyligh Woolsey it what ever, is hot, but not that big.

[IIamaKing]

Fuck oil and natural gas, Burn the pipes to the ground.

No thanks I enjoy my power, internet and Car.

[alexkeren]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...sts-filmmakers

Seems as soon as there is big money involved Free Speech stops being a thing in the USA and the cops come out being their usual selves.

They were trespassing on private property THUS BREAKING THE LAW and when told to leave they didn't. The First Amendment doesn't protect one from violations of trespass and such.

It's also interesting for various indigenous groups who espouse that nothing is inanimate, all has spirit, all is connected, they violate all of that with there actions beyond just the main camp and peaceful protest on lands they have rights to be on legally.

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Still a combustion reaction that is relatively unnecessary.

Until you can find a cost effective method to provide power for everyone in cities from the alternative energy realm we need to in parallel develop cleaner sources, like Natural Gas, for the interim.

[Gamdwelf]

They were trespassing on private property THUS BREAKING THE LAW and when told to leave they didn't. The First Amendment doesn't protect one from violations of trespass and such.

It's also interesting for various indigenous groups who espouse that nothing is inanimate, all has spirit, all is connected, they violate all of that with there actions beyond just the main camp and peaceful protest on lands they have rights to be on legally.

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Until you can find a cost effective method to provide power for everyone in cities from the alternative energy realm we need to in parallel develop cleaner sources, like Natural Gas, for the interim.

It's called solar.

[alexkeren]

It's called solar.

Except solar isn't good enough yet to power more than just single houses.

You couldn't fully power a 5 story, 40 unit apartment building on solar alone because you wouldn't have the necessary footprint on the roof to put all the needed panels.

So cities like NYC can't go solar only because of how vertical it is combined with the number of cloudy days.

[Gamdwelf]

Except solar isn't good enough yet to power more than just single houses.

You couldn't fully power a 5 story, 40 unit apartment building on solar alone because you wouldn't have the necessary footprint on the roof to put all the needed panels.

So cities like NYC can't go solar only because of how vertical it is combined with the number of cloudy days.

Your assuming that solar has to be in the roof it's powering. Which is starting from a false assumption.

[zenkai]

If only Obama cared

[Gamdwelf]

Thousands of wild bison just showed up and ended the pipeline

[Tijuana]

This story hasn't really been getting attention.



http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...w-camp-n674066

Long story short, these has been an pretty big ongoing protest over the Dakota Access Pipeline. Protesters have been destroyin bridges, lighting stuff on fire, doing protester things. 100s of people have been arrested, even the presidential hopeful Jill Stein could be facing charges related to the protests.

I don't get why adding a 1000th pipeline is an issue. They are not known for leaking, or causing harm to the environment. It's like protesting oil tankers, even though there has only every been like one major spill.

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It's called solar.

Oil will always win as long as all you have to do it dig a hole and pump it out. Solar requires manufacturing and isn't even remotely competitive on cost. Someday, when technology catches up, or we run out of nearly free energy (oil), I'm sure we will look in to solar and the other non-competitive energy sources. Fighting against it in the interim is futile, and irresponsible to poor people who struggle with utility costs.

[alexkeren]

Buy everything, do whatever you want without anyone being able to report on it.

Sounds great for criminals.

If by, "sounds great for criminals", you mean just claim the first amendment defense being the reason you broke the law you might guarantee yourself the max sentence.

I clearly said a reporter cannot trespass and claim its okay because of the first amendment. It doesn't allow reporters to break laws.

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Your assuming that solar has to be in the roof it's powering. Which is starting from a false assumption.

No, you clearly don't understand how big of a footprint is required with the current manufacturing technology for solar to power a city. It doesn't matter where it's put, but clearly there is not enough room anywhere near NYC to power NYC that wouldn't first be built for somewhere closer to said large expansive open land.

[Theinquisition]

Still a combustion reaction that is relatively unnecessary.

Yet, blowing up pipelines and other fossil fuel using devices wouldn't be unnecessary?

How authoritarian of you comrade.

[Tradewind]

Fuck oil and natural gas, Burn the pipes to the ground.

I guess you don't like having medicine, brushing your teeth, having any kind of electronics or plastics, having tires for your car, having a car in general, clothes, a refrigerator, shoes, washing your hair, eating, taking a tylenol, having surgery without being awake for it...and so on and so forth.

Just like when the native bands out in Nova Scotia were protesting O&G exploration a few years back, not even building anything, but surveying the land. They blocked highways, burned cars, cop cars too. "We're protecting the environment!" By incinerating shit and dumping a load of chemicals and toxins into the ground and air Classic protester move.

[Theinquisition]

If by, "sounds great for criminals", you mean just claim the first amendment defense being the reason you broke the law you might guarantee yourself the max sentence.

I clearly said a reporter cannot trespass and claim its okay because of the first amendment. It doesn't allow reporters to break laws.

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No, you clearly don't understand how big of a footprint is required with the current manufacturing technology for solar to power a city. It doesn't matter where it's put, but clearly there is not enough room anywhere near NYC to power NYC that wouldn't first be built for somewhere closer to said large expansive open land.

Not to mention the additional infrastructure that would have to be built to accommodate such upgrades.

[Tradewind]

How or where are people supposed to protest when they're not allowed anywhere near the perpetrators / wrong-doers?

At the corporate offices? Local government buildings? idk, the usual places people go to protest stuff.