I think Blizzard are overestimating how many people actually Mythic

[McFrotton]

Or even raid...

90% of 7.1 is Mythic and Raid content and though I don't begrudge Blizzard adding content for Mythics and Raids but I worry they may be overestimating the numbers that actually do this regular. Now I know a number will say "If you don't like raiding then quit" and granted I imagine many well but that attitude will just cause massive sub drops and less $ for content

I think blizzard have all the metrics related to it and know EXACTLY how many people run those, and mythic dungeon...who does not run them it is relatively easy

[Chemii]

It's less about being "afraid" or something, it's just that for the Average Joe player it's not worth the time spent babysitting a group finder window and still probably not getting a group.

Unless you're REALLY motivated or REALLY like 5-mans, that time waste just isn't appealing. And if you already are REALLY motivated or REALLY like farming mythic, then you probably already have a guild/group in the first place. So you've got this design that really doesn't do much to help one group while actively discouraging another. All for what's really just the entry-level content of the expansion.

This is a legitimate/sincere question to those with concerns like this. Why do you play World Of Warcraft?

[Jewsco]

I didn't accuse you of bashing it, so if you're gonna try the "which is it?" game it's not going to be very effective on me, now is it?

No just call me a defender when you complained about the gear treadmill which this game has always been which is a fact.
Now does it get old and with all the rng of legion annoying yes. Maybe more so than ever before but nonetheless it is and always will be a treadmill. But you didn't complain about the rng just the treadmill part which I pointed out it has always been

[Deleted]

Not everyone is an elitist, and knowing the mechanics of boss fights isn't elitism.

If you have a negative outlook things are only going to be negative.

Not everybody is an elitist no, but somebody that shouts abuse is

[Flurryfang]

I think it is odd, that people dislike using 10 min to find a group in LFG more then having to wait 15-20 min for a matchmade team to be build up.

As a dps, you will always be turned down by alot of teams, because you are in competition with alot of other dps, but there are also more groups open for dps then for tanks and healers, which often creates wait time for tank and healers aswell.

[Clozer]

Mythic Dungeons are the old Heroic Dungeons. They're super easy, and literally require just a small amount of brain power to complete. People whining about Mythic being the end-game are being pathetic, because Mythic sounds scary, let's all be terrified.

Mythic is piss. Just do it, get a guild group if you have too, and wreck it. I honestly do Mythics without a Healer most of the time, we go in as a guild group and our Druid just nukes 99% of the time.

Stop this bullshit. When i first tanked a mythic dungeon with 820 gear trash packs could kill me in less than 2 secs. They aren't as easy as people say.

[grandgato]

I think it is odd, that people dislike using 10 min to find a group in LFG more then having to wait 15-20 min for a matchmade team to be build up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misleading_vividness

I experienced Y, while performing X therefore everyone experiences Y while also performing X.

[Deleted]

I think it is odd, that people dislike using 10 min to find a group in LFG more then having to wait 15-20 min for a matchmade team to be build up.

As a dps, you will always be turned down by alot of teams, because you are in competition with alot of other dps, but there are also more groups open for dps then for tanks and healers, which often creates wait time for tank and healers aswell.

In my experience people will only invite those with high ilvl even if it isn't required for dps whereas such things rarely occur for tanks and healers

[Bathory]

Or even raid...

90% of 7.1 is Mythic and Raid content and though I don't begrudge Blizzard adding content for Mythics and Raids but I worry they may be overestimating the numbers that actually do this regular. Now I know a number will say "If you don't like raiding then quit" and granted I imagine many well but that attitude will just cause massive sub drops and less $ for content

Maybe you're just witness to the "i'm too lazy to do that" or the other segment of the WoW population that has social anxiety and is too scared to even think of grouping with people.

[Jewsco]

Not everybody is an elitist no, but somebody that shouts abuse is

Why I pug as little as possible.

[Hyve]

Stop this bullshit. When i first tanked a mythic dungeon with 820 gear trash packs could kill me in less than 2 secs. They aren't as easy as people say.

Not to sound rude, but that's clearly you failing then. Right now, I am 870, don't need a Healer. When I first cleared a Mythic I was 835, Halls of Valor. No issues, Healer even died on the second to final boss, and I soloed it with a Hunter. The fact is, you're clearly not doing it properly.

Mythics are fine. So, likewise mate; Stop the bullshit, and overcome the challenges.

[Nihilist74]

Mythic Dungeons are the old Heroic Dungeons. They're super easy, and literally require just a small amount of brain power to complete. People whining about Mythic being the end-game are being pathetic, because Mythic sounds scary, let's all be terrified.

Mythic is piss. Just do it, get a guild group if you have too, and wreck it. I honestly do Mythics without a Healer most of the time, we go in as a guild group and our Druid just nukes 99% of the time.

If they are that easy, they should have them in random group finder.

[Hyve]

I don't think the difficulty is the issue. The main problem is that the rewards are still pure RNG. You grind your ass off without any certainty of a useful reward, or currency that could be spent on useful rewards. And then there's the unforgiveness of mythic+ runs: make one mistake, and you lose your loot and your keystone as well.

The combination of hours and hours of grind, no guaranteed rewards, and the high cost of mistakes in a game are a big turn-off for most people with actual lives outside the game once the first enthusiasm wears off.

It has been that way in the RPG Genre for years, and even in Raiding for years. I went the whole of Tier 11 without the Magmaw Trinket dropping. I ran it every week, and not once did it even drop ... So please, RNG has always been a factor for loot. It wasn't until over half way through Hellfire Citadel that I managed to get my 4-Set Bonus ... again, all due to RNG being a piece of shit.

It happens. Deal with it.

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If they are that easy, they should have them in random group finder.

I'm not saying they're as easy as Heroics, they do need some coordination at the lower levels. But how exactly does that matter at all? Rather than a Random group of idiots being thrown together in Mythics, you can make your own group, vet the people coming in, invite friends and guild members ...

Everyone is just spewing excuses, yet there are solutions to them all.

Edit: Honestly, I got to 110, did I think like, maybe 1 Heroic, and then went right into Mythics. I got a little lucky, some good Warforged & Titanforged pieces to start with, but I've still run them plenty, still for Legendaries and that is where my loot is coming from. RNG is a game, you either play and have a chance of rewards, or you don't at all.

Mythics are easy. All you need to do is have a mild degree of CC (where needed), interrupt what needs interrupting, and maybe, if things are a little challenging, use Voice Comms. Blizzard has it in built, it's not amazing, but good enough for a Mythic, or use Discord. Free, easy to use and you can even get people in via their Browser.

Literally; There are no excuses for people failing or struggling with Mythics outside that's the limit of content that their skill level can handle.

[Jewsco]

In my experience people will only invite those with high ilvl even if it isn't required for dps whereas such things rarely occur for tanks and healers

Because as explained there is more dps to choose from and you wouldn't pick the higher ilvl dps either? When as I have told you countless times is all random people have to base who to pick and thus why it is better to do with guildies or friends

[Aureli]

I completed over 100 m+ and oneshoted kara first day and killed nightbane today. Zero of them with guild or friends. You need guild just for mythic raiding, even full hc is oneshotted by good pug group. There wasnt better expansion for playing solo.

Btw Im rogue, so pure dps class

[Flurryfang]

In my experience people will only invite those with high ilvl even if it isn't required for dps whereas such things rarely occur for tanks and healers

I have experienced it multiple times, that some tank overtook me because he had higher item lvl

But the experience i am talking about, is the situation where you are standing in LFG and only seeing groups with 1 tank, 1 healer, 1dps and who are looking for 2 dps. Many people often que up like that with their friends, so many groups are often locked off from tanks, since most people prefer to run with a guild tank This is especially a situation in mythic+ dungeons, where tanks are very important So there is a simular experience for tanks/healers, as there is for tanks Just in a minor way ofcourse, since there are way less of them

[Flurryfang]

The only time it takes 10 minutes is if I make my own group as a tank or healer, or join a group as a tank or healer that's going to be finished forming when I join.

As a DPS? 10 minutes? Hah.

Time must go very fast for you then Got into all of my Karazhan attunement groups in about 7 min, with an item lvl of 854.

[Chemii]

I didn't accuse you of bashing it, so if you're gonna try the "which is it?" game it's not going to be very effective on me, now is it?

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To have fun doing stuff. My days of taking my guild's world rank super seriously are far behind me.

When stuff isn't fun to do, then I'm just not going to do it. And large portions of the Legion endgame experience are just not any fun at all right now.

Fair enough. There is content in Legion aimed at the casual player base, even suitably geared casual players can clear Kara and other mythic dungeons. At the end of the day this is an MMORPG and you are expected to socialise at some point. If you aren't willing to do that because of personal barriers, then your experience of the game will be limited.

That's a totally different issue to not being "able" to do Mythic's though.

P.S the term casual is not meant in a derogatory way.

[Deleted]

Because as explained there is more dps to choose from and you wouldn't pick the higher ilvl dps either? When as I have told you countless times is all random people have to base who to pick and thus why it is better to do with guildies or friends

And that's the crux, you shouldn't HAVE to be in a Mythic / Raiding guild to enjoy WoW. Other MMORPGs don't force this. I'm in a RP guild that has probably 10 people online at peak

[Flurryfang]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misleading_vividness

I experienced Y, while performing X therefore everyone experiences Y while also performing X.

Haha dude, welcome to the forums, where we, ordinary people, who has no ability to get large amount of metric data, can only talk about our personal experience If we all needed to have large amounts of data, no discussion would ever be had in here

I am just talking from my experience of being part of +75 mythic dungeons as a dps It is very rarely that my groups have taken more then 10 min to make, unless i started looking late in the night or if we asked for wierd requirements