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Did Blizzard just hotfix an ilvl requirement onto Awakened LFR?
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OK so because of work and stuff havent really hadnt played the expansion at all until this past weekend. Obviously the first thing I did was roll up a Demon Hunter to check them out. Im not gonna give my opinion on the starting quests of the DH vs those of the DK. However there is something that bothers me. As soon as you finish your newbie DH quests you are thrust right into the campaign to destroy the Burning Legion. OK thats great and it makes perfect sense because thats what this expansion is about.
Now lets rewind 8 years ago to WotLK. You just finish an epic quest line where you are basically evil incarnate. You murder one of your closest friends and torture scarlet crusade soldiers. When the final battle is at hand you and your fellow DKs march on Light's Hope Chapel. When its all over you find out the LK has betrayed you and of course you are pissed. Something... something... Alliance between Argent Dawn and Nights of the Ebon Legion...WE ARE COMING FOR YOU ARTHAS! Now with all that animosity towards the LK and some newfound allies its time to head to Northrend to confront the LK right? Nope you get shipped off to Outlands to battle the Burning Crusade?
Im sorry Im not big on Lore but can someone tell me the connection between the Burning Legion and the Scourge? Im having a very hard time understanding why I was sent to Outlands instead of being sent to Northrend? I mean werent all of the bad guys dealt with during the TBC expansion? Why were DKs sent to Outlands with a new enemy in Northrend? Thats basically the same as if Demon Hunters were sent to Northrend after they finished their starting quests in order to fight an already defeated enemy, which has nothing to do with the current expansion.
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2016-11-09, 05:54 PM #1The Lightbringer
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Why didnt DKs go straight into Northrend?
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2016-11-09, 05:55 PM #2The Insane
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The Burning Legion was responsible for the undead plague.
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2016-11-09, 05:57 PM #3High Overlord
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It's only different now because Blizz know a little more than they used to, it's was probably a good idea at the time. Originally Posted by Lilly32
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2016-11-09, 06:01 PM #4Brewmaster
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At the end of the day it's just a game. It's a game made to for people to enjoy and SELL. That's it fundamentally. Stop looking so much into it like it's real life... You're projecting real life logic into a fantasty ...
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2016-11-09, 06:05 PM #5Brewmaster
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Cause they wanted you to play your toon a bit before doing WoTLK content?
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2016-11-09, 06:06 PM #6High Overlord
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I think they didnt want to give out a lv70 character off the bat. Also the timeline is meant to be character based, while you are questing in outlands northrend shouldnt have happened yet for you.
Weird thing is how cata convolutes that with the map changes, and how the phasing only affects certain areas.
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2016-11-09, 06:06 PM #7Brewmaster
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There's 2 reasons for DK's having to play TBC and DH getting thrown right into Legion:
1) When DK's were releases, there was only Vanilla and TBC content so far,and at taht time one of the max zones in the Old World was actualy Eastern Plaguelands, where DKs start. You would level there at aproximatly lvl 55+, so that's why DK's start at taht level and finish the zone at 58. It wouldn't make sense for them to be automaticaly lvl 70 for example when they leave the intro zone (don't forget, lorewise you died questing in Eastern Plaguelands, and the LK ressurected you as a death knight)
2) DH on the other hand, they were imprisoned and they were only released by Maiev now when Legion came to Azeroth, so that's why they start at 98 and end the intro zones at 100, where they're sent to the Broken Isles by Khadgar.
This is the lore reason behind this. Realisticaly what hapened was:
1) DK's were released in WotLK (begining content was 70) so tehre wasn't much sense in making them skip just 1 expantion, even more so that TBC content could be started at 58 (precisely the levels DKs usualy end the intro zones) and WotLK content could be started at 68, so in practice it wouldn't make sense just skip 10 levels.
2) DH on the other hand, they now have 5 expantions behind them, or 40 levels in other words, before they can play the newest content. Blizzard want the players to be on max level pretty quickly, hence why they also gave lvl 90 boosts in WoD and lvl 100 now in legion
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2016-11-09, 06:08 PM #8Legendary!
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It never made any sense. DKs should have started out at level 65.
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2016-11-09, 06:09 PM #9The Insane
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As for why Blizzard had the DK's start at level 55...my theory is they wanted to kind of Retcon them into all the Vanilla Lore. Basically, all characters other than Demon Hunters are credited with being at least part of the force that killed all the threats up to now...including all the Vanilla and BC content. If DK's went straight into Northrend...they wouldn't have that.
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2016-11-09, 06:12 PM #10The Lightbringer
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there has to be some reason. Blizzard could have easily adjusted the DK quests by now to spit you out at 68, but they havent. Originally Posted by Lane
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2016-11-09, 06:18 PM #11Dreadlord
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I just want to point out that during the Illidan quests in Legion, my DK has shown up in the "raid" that supposedly killed Illidan in the BT. (I have cleared the raid solo at higher levels for reasons). Now ain't that a plot hole.
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2016-11-09, 06:23 PM #12Herald of the Titans
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They were the first class to be added after release, so it was all an experiment. They wanted them to start at a higher level, as they decided that DK was a hero class, but it wasn't really known when to place them in.
Also, remember, they had the old school talent system back then. Leveling was a bit more important regarding those points, so to spread the points out they started leveling earlier on. As well as having a lot more abilities to be gained while leveling rather than thrusting all the abilities out at once.
As for lore reason, the undead threat was a big part of vanilla as well, so the theory is that they freed themselves somewhere towards the end of vanilla. They should have been (lorewise) a part of the TBC content as well."Believing something is not an accomplishment. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because “strength of belief” is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. Listen to any “die-hard” conservative or liberal talk about their deepest beliefs and you are listening to somebody who will never hear what you say on any matter that matters to them — unless you believe the same. Wherever there is a belief, there is a closed door."
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2016-11-09, 06:27 PM #13DeletedYeah, but you can't get angry at that quest, it's hilarious Originally Posted by wooootles
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2016-11-09, 08:39 PM #14Deleted
Gameplay > Lore
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2016-11-09, 09:43 PM #15Legendary!
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It was simply a design decision. It had probably something to do that the actual eastern plaguelands were I think 55-60 and thus DKs started at 55 OR they simply didn't think about it. Originally Posted by Lilly32
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2016-11-09, 09:51 PM #16Deleted
And Demon Hunters should have started at 70. In the lore however, levels don't exist.
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2016-11-09, 10:04 PM #17The Insane
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Blizzard made a mistake. New death knights are pretty much time travelers.
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2016-11-09, 10:07 PM #18Fluffy Kitten
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I think how fast you could get to max level just mattered more then than it does now. I mean now you can just buy an almost max level char, in Wrath it would take days/weeks to get to max level.
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2016-11-09, 11:34 PM #19Stood in the Fire
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Valid question, inform us please.
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2016-11-10, 12:35 AM #20Blademaster
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Leveling back in the day was a huge deal compared to now. Now it takes less than a week to get from 100 to 110. Back in Lich King getting from 70 to 80 usually took more than a week and a half and leveling 1-70 wasn't as fast as it is now. Probably by giving making DK's start at 65 the game would've been swarmed with DK alts as people would just not want to waste their time to level a character from 1 to 80 or level their 70 alts instead of DK's. It kind of brought some class balance.
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