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    Post President Trump: How America Got It So Wrong

    Trump made idiots of us all. From the end of primary season onward, I felt sure Trump was en route to ruining, perhaps forever, the Republican Party as a force in modern American life. Now the Republicans are more dominant than ever, and it is the Democratic Party that is shattered and faces an uncertain future.

    And they deserve it. The Democratic Party's failure to keep Donald Trump out of the White House in 2016 will go down as one of the all-time examples of insular arrogance. The party not only spent most of the past two years ignoring the warning signs of the Trump rebellion, but vilifying anyone who tried to point them out. It denounced all rumors of its creeping unpopularity as vulgar lies and bullied anyone who dared question its campaign strategy by calling them racists, sexists and agents of Vladimir Putin's Russia.

    But the party's willful blindness symbolized a similar arrogance across the American intellectual elite. Trump's election was a true rebellion, directed at anyone perceived to be part of "the establishment." The target group included political leaders, bankers, industrialists, academics, Hollywood actors, and, of course, the media. And we all closed our eyes to what we didn't want to see.

    The almost universal failure among political pros to predict Trump's victory – the few exceptions, conspicuously, were people who hailed from rust-belt states, like Michael Moore – spoke to an astonishing cultural blindness. Those of us whose job it is to cover campaigns long ago grew accustomed to treating The People as a kind of dumb animal, whose behavior could sometimes be unpredictable but, in the end, almost always did what it was told.

    Whenever we sought insight into the motives and tendencies of this elusive creature, our first calls were always to other eggheads like ourselves. We talked to pollsters, think-tankers, academics, former campaign strategists, party spokes-hacks, even other journalists. Day after day, our political talk shows consisted of one geek in a suit interviewing another geek in a suit about the behaviors of pipe fitters and store clerks and cops in Florida, Wisconsin, Ohio and West Virginia. We'd stand over glitzy video maps and discuss demographic data points like we were trying to determine the location of a downed jetliner.

    And the whole time, The People, whose intentions we were wondering so hard about, were all around us, listening to themselves being talked about like some wild, illiterate beast.

    When 60 Minutes did its election-eve story about the mood of the electorate, they had to call up a familiar Beltway figure, pollster Frank Luntz, to put together a focus group. Luntz's purpose was to take the white-hot rage and disgust hurled at him by voters on both sides of the aisle during the "focus group" portion, and translate it all into a media-speak during the sit-down. Luntz did his job and gave Steve Kroft his sound-bite diagnosis of The People's temperature. "That's not blowing off steam," he said. "That is a deep-seated resentment."

    Deep-seated resentment. There was a catchy, succinct line, over which we could all collectively stroke our chins in quiet contemplation. That's as opposed to what the voters intended, which was to sock us all so hard for our snobbism and intellectual myopia that those very chins of ours would get driven straight through the backs of our skulls.

    There was a great deal of talk in this campaign about the inability of the "low-information" voter to understand the rhetoric of candidates who spoke above a sixth-grade language level. We were told by academics and analysts that Trump's public addresses rated among the most simplistic political rhetoric ever recorded.

    But that story cut in both directions, in a way few of us silver-tongued media types ever thought about. The People didn't speak our language, true. But that also meant we didn't speak theirs.

    Beavis and Butthead creator Mike Judge's Idiocracy, ostensibly a comedy but destined now to be remembered as a horror movie, was often cited this past year as prophecy. The film described a future dystopia of idiot Americans physically unable to understand the tepid grammatical speech of a half-smart time traveler from the past. Many reporters, myself included, found themselves thinking about this film when we heard voters saying they were literally incapable of understanding the words coming out of Hillary Clinton's mouth.

    "When [Trump] talks, I actually understand what he's saying," a young Pennsylvanian named Trent Gower told me at a Trump event a month ago. "But, like, when fricking Hillary Clinton talks, it just sounds like a bunch of bullshit."

    So these Trump voters had a comprehension problem. But we were just as bad. We couldn't understand what they were saying to us. We refused to accept every signal about whom they hated, and how much. Why? Because Trump's voters were speaking a language that has been taboo in America for decades, if not forever.

    Nobody in this country knows how to talk about class. America is like a giant manor estate where the aristocrats don't know they're aristocrats and the peasants imagine themselves undiscovered millionaires. And America's cultural elite, trained for so long to think in terms of artificial distinctions like Republicans and Democrats instead of more natural divisions like haves and have-nots, refused until it was too late to grasp the meaning of the rage-storm headed over the wall.

    Just like the leaders of the Republican Party, who simply never believed its electorate wouldn't drop and roll over on command when the time came, we media types never believed all that anger out there was real, or at least gathered in enough force to matter.


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    Back then, I thought Trump had a real chance at the presidency. But later I made the same mistake most every other reporter did. I listened to polls and media outlets, instead of people. I thought Trump's maladroit and ridiculous general-election campaign, in which he went back on virtually every major primary-season promise while being revealed through seemingly hourly scandals as one of the world's most corrupt and personally repulsive individuals, would do him in. He would lose and lose huge, ending up a footnote to history, having served no purpose beyond the destruction of the Republican Party. Conventional wisdom said so, and wasn't conventional wisdom always right?

    Not quite. We journalists made the same mistake the Republicans made, the same mistake the Democrats made. We were too sure of our own influence, too lazy to bother hearing things firsthand, and too in love with ourselves to imagine that so many people could hate and distrust us as much as they apparently do.

    It's too late for any of us to fix this colossal misread and lapse in professional caution. Now all we can do is wait to see how much this failure of vision will cost the public we supposedly serve. Just like the politicians, our job was to listen, and we talked instead. Now America will do its own talking for a while. The world may never forgive us for not seeing this coming.
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    While media postmortems are all the rage now, this one in particular struck very well IMHO. Of what can be said to come out of this mess is first the Death of the Myth of a Post-Racial America. Black Lives Matter and the firestorm brewing in White Working Class towns across Middle America has blown that shit out of the water. And the Myth that America is a society without class is also entirely dead.

    The Media largely is made up of a close network of self-referencing friends. Geeks talking to other geeks talking to others and never leaving a bubble of expert opinions giving other expert opinions and none bothered to actually see what the evidence actually was. Michael Moore was one of the few exceptions who saw Trump coming, possibly because he is from that group of people that rallied to Trump.

    Is the media, or at least much of it dead in the water now in terms of trustworthiness? Do people actually believe what they see and hear? Forget influencing of people, is the media even trusted to report facts anymore?
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    I don't get why Nate Silver gets so much shit. He was in fact the one that got it right and gave Trump ~30%.
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    I think a part of it is a good chunk of millennials throwing a tantrum because they didn't get the candidate they wanted; and blamed Hillary / Dem establishment for that. So they either didn't vote / or voted against her.

    Shit sure blew up in their faces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dvaz View Post
    I think a part of it is a good chunk of millennials throwing a tantrum because they didn't get the candidate they wanted; and blamed Hillary / Dem establishment for that. So they either didn't vote / or voted against her.

    Shit sure blew up in their faces.
    A trend we're likely to continue seeing simply because the US government is drifting further and further apart from most of the citizenry. The fact that less than a quarter of eligible voters put Trump into power and maintained the GOP stranglehold over Congress will doubtless disenchant more people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dvaz View Post
    I think a part of it is a good chunk of millennials throwing a tantrum because they didn't get the candidate they wanted; and blamed Hillary / Dem establishment for that. So they either didn't vote / or voted against her.

    Shit sure blew up in their faces.
    A party dependent on voters simply "Having nowhere else to go," and being complacent and feeling it need do nothing else then show up and be granted victory is a party run by idiots or possibly Boston Techies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dvaz View Post
    I think a part of it is a good chunk of millennials throwing a tantrum because they didn't get the candidate they wanted; and blamed Hillary / Dem establishment for that. So they either didn't vote / or voted against her.
    Well, they are entitled, whiny little cunts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mistame View Post
    Well, they are entitled, whiny little cunts.
    Nothing to me says entitled like a political party that feels it need only show up to win and be granted power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mistame View Post
    Well, they are entitled, whiny little cunts.
    While a lot of them are (partially the reason I voted against them at the WA caucus), hear me out.

    There's a lot of dissatisfaction in the left wing over the Third Way movement and how it really hasn't produced anything positive; the impression one gets is that Clinton sold out the Democrats and really put the nail in the coffin of the New Deal. So while it isn't necessarily...you know, sensible...it's an understandable viewpoint.

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    Entirely too many Trump threads. This can go either in the Trump or Election megathreads.

    If you want to talk about how the Democrats screwed all this up, it could also go into the "Tear down the Democratic party" thread.

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