Why are people here dismissive about Legion's complaints?

[Darkeon]

Actually you need to point those people out to me. Hey, I am ready that you will say I am one..or a white knight, but that is just a blanket statement to piss me off. I do not dismiss any and all criticism . So what poster loves everything about WoW?

And that's what I got from the OP.
Someone states that they have a gripe with something (sure, can be a shitty, non-constructive criticism post; But it can very well be a good one) and someone simply dismisses it - "dismissing" usually means that no further constructive discussion is involved, "This is fine.jpeg" comes to mind.

Sure, they might be trolling; But if they are not, am I right or not to call them "Fanboys"?

There is always something that can be refined, improved, fixed. The stereotypical fanboy does not think so.
He\She dismisses any criticism and claims the game is perfect as it is. If someone does not feel that way about the game, then they are not one. It's that simple.

[Deleted]

Take any one of these generic responses.

- It's your own fault you're burned out.
- The numbers are fine, therefore it's fine.
- You're just bad at the game.
- You didn't try try rerolling and trying something else.
- You're being toxic/poisonous.
- Your complaints about mechanics, however detailed or mathematically explained, are invalid because:-
-> I say so.
-> You took a break, and in spite of nothing meaningful changing or happening since taking that break, you're not playing anymore so...
-> You don't have "enough" ("enough" being an entirely arbitrary definition of time/content beaten as decided by the poster) experience.

That's basically this community now. I've seen all of these, and worse, trying to discuss Warlocks.

Piss off, this community is not defensive of the game. There are usually about 5-10x as many posts trashing anything blizzard does than the posts trying to defend anything.

[SirCowdog]

So I took a little month break because of how frustrated I was with the actual gameplay in Legion (class gameplay) and recently noticed many others on the WoW forums feel the same. There is a serious problem with classes that needs a big redesign imo to fix. Not to mention blizz ignoring the shit out of players (except mages so it seems?) so my question is, whys everyone here on MMOC ignoring that issue?

Legion is probably the most content and lorenrich expansion, yet it's totally ruined by class design choices and the retarded AP/AK system that makes respecting and rerolling a pain in the arse. Anytime it gets brought up you guys tear the OP a new one. Why?

It's because it's easier to agree with Blizzard and jump on the bandwagon of confirmation bias to feel good about themselves than question or criticize. That's just human nature, bro.

[Coils]

So I took a little month break because of how frustrated I was with the actual gameplay in Legion (class gameplay) and recently noticed many others on the WoW forums feel the same. There is a serious problem with classes that needs a big redesign imo to fix. Not to mention blizz ignoring the shit out of players (except mages so it seems?) so my question is, whys everyone here on MMOC ignoring that issue?

Legion is probably the most content and lorenrich expansion, yet it's totally ruined by class design choices and the retarded AP/AK system that makes respecting and rerolling a pain in the arse. Anytime it gets brought up you guys tear the OP a new one. Why?

I'd imagine that most feel that Legion is such an improvement over WoD that its issues are almost forgivable by comparison. That said, I still plenty of complaints, wouldn't go as far as to say that no one is complaining by any means.

If Legion came out after MoP, I'd wager the complaints would be a little louder, as there wouldn't be as much praise to drown it out (regardless of whether or not anyone feels its deserved).

[Glorious Leader]

Besides for the end of mist I'm not sure how that was a bad expansion, unless you are one of those LOLpanda people. Amazing raids, love the isle, the story was great.

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You are confusing valid criticism with the countless whine post. I agree that AK needs a slight tweak, some classes like locks are unplayable, at least in my opinion and I still think mats are too scare. But for every post like that you see someone crying about god knows what.

It was kinda garbage if you didnt raid. Theg made dungeons kinda worthless and if you didnt like daily quests well fuck you.

[Heladys]

It was kinda garbage if you didnt raid. Theg made dungeons kinda worthless and if you didnt like daily quests well fuck you.

If you didn't raid you didn't play.

[Darkeon]

Hmmm...or maybe he / she thinks the lack of effort in OPs post deserves a flat out dismissive answer?

So someone just being confrontational for no apparent reason? I'm not sure that's the way to go.
"If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything", is a good code to live by. Sure, in this case something nice can be misrepresented, since what we are looking for is something contrary to what the first person says, but still it should be done in a proper, non-confrontational way.

See, people claim "there was valuable feedback" - then why are the threads here (paraphrasing) "This guy in my guild who afks in Dalaran got his BiS legendary when he dinged 110 and I have zero after doing 1000 mythic +15"?

If that's his complain in it's entirety, then it's not really that valuable when it comes to proper constructive feedback - in the end, it's still a valuable opinion of a customer, of course.

I know I still didn't have any legendary at all and I was running a pretty good amount of Mythics (granted, nowhere near +15s). Some of my friends got theirs - and 2nds - with much less effort.

And while in this specific group no one would exactly be benched from raids, there are places where it does happen. And that's why I'm not in favour of the current Legendary system. Tying this heavily power to RNG is a bad thing in my opinion. I would very much like to see this system re-worked on and refined into something better for the player-base.

[Gratlim]

I unsubbed but i found Legion to be the most solid expansion we had since Wotlk. Two things went horribly wrong for me though:
- PvP reward system / gearing.
- Some specs got butchered: and because of Artefact Weapon design, devs do not dare fixing gameplay issues and fix talent trees completely wrong. Ex: mid pack dps spec. Cooky-cutter build resolve around one talent. Instead of changing / boosting the others to compete with that talent and make them more appealing, they go lazy and butcher it to make the others look prettier. Congratulations, your once mid pack dps spec is now total underdog. Happened to both of my classes (Warlock and DH). Still managed to compete with Demonology, but the skill/reward ratio to get there is not fine compared to brain-dead fotm specs out there.

Shame because world, lore, dungeons are tops, raids are okayish but nothing to complain about and we are still missing the first real tier raid. WQs are a really good idea as well (from D3 bounties).

[Jessicka]

Piss off, this community is not defensive of the game. There are usually about 5-10x as many posts trashing anything blizzard does than the posts trying to defend anything.

It doesn't need more than a couple of White Knights to throw out those generic responses to kill the conversation and deflect it all and make it personal. There are plenty of them here and it's what so, so many of these threads degenerate into.

[TheFirstOnes]

Yes, the expansion is perfect and has no flaws.
Exactly what a fanboy with no critical thinking would say. Bravo~

Please learn the definition of "Opinion" before you keep speaking blindlessly into the void.

Thank you.

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Because fanboy blizz drones put dirt in their ears, then plug them with their fingers and scream WAAAAAAH STOP CRY WAAAAAH when people bring real criticism to them.

This expansion really could/should have been their best yet with the design of applicable content for everyone; but you're completely correct, the class pruning and class "balancing" is killing this expansion.

Oh really? Cause, in all seriousness, that's exactly what i'm seeing when I take a look at Nostalrious stuff.

You called blizzard fans "Fanboys", even though you seem to lack the knowledge of the word. A fanboy is someone that gets triggered over opinions, and thinks a game is FINE FINE FINE, while telling people to KYS and so forth, cause they have a different opinion over them.

Guess who's triggered over peeps that love legion due to sheer opinion, You are.

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And in response to the OP: People are being dismissive over the complaints because they share different opinions. 6 people might love the game,. 3 people might despise it. Who knows. You don't have to tell people not to be dismissive over the complaints, cause maybe their opinion is different from yours. We're humans, and this is a game. A game is not perfect, and has many flaws, and humans share different varieties, meaning they might love/hate something different from what you love/hate.

I'm sorry, but welcome to life. Just accept the fact that you can't get everyone to care/agree with what you say, and deal with it.

Thank you for taking the time to read this.

[Zoreyai]

Apart from AP farming which is retarded, the game is the same as it always has been.

Class 1 :WAHH I WANNA BE THE BEST WITHOUT EFFORT.

Class 2: I AM THE BEST WITHOUT EFFORT, DONT NERF, OH FUCK NERF, WAHHH

Class 3:TOP GUILDS DONT TAKE MORE THAN 1 OF MY CLASS IN THEIR RAIDS, WAHHHH

Therefor, there isnt anything different, just people whining cause they can.

Yes, AK/AP system is retarded, it should become account wide ASAP, but it will never cause they probably believe they would make you sub more for playing your alt, than quitting.

Problem with WoW is the community, not the game.

Because top guild 1 stacks class x times, for whatever valid reason, guild 3000 and guild 5000 players believes it affect then somehow instead of simply focusing on doing the best they can on their own class, in their own guild.

RNG is a huge issue atm. I had to quit because there's just no fun in running a slot machine in a game like this.

[SirCowdog]

You are confusing valid criticism with the countless whine post. I agree that AK needs a slight tweak, some classes like locks are unplayable, at least in my opinion and I still think mats are too scare. But for every post like that you see someone crying about god knows what.

Valid criticism is, by it's very definition, valid. That's not what I was referring to. I was talking about when people come out of the woodwork to defend anything that blizzard does, even when it's clearly a poor decision that deserves to be criticized.

[Deleted]

because autism

[iky43210]

Please take out all the rng crap in class designs. Not gear, but the actual skill.

It's a shit design when you either do great dps or not based on casino poison bomb. Also please revert sub rogue back to wod design, thanks

[Darkeon]

Yeah, it is - but not on internet forums, it seems.

And ofc it should be "If you don't have something constructive to say" - because if you only want to hear nice things, then you cannot criticize the game...

Yeah, did tweak it a bit, after posting it, for the wording to create less confusion about my intent. I mean "Nice" in the way it's delivered, not the actual message itself. Of course it would be difficult to disagree with the person if one only had 'nice' and similar things to say about it.

Please learn the definition of "Opinion" before you keep speaking blindlessly into the void.

Thank you.

How is that even relevant to the topic in question? In your opinion, does the Expansion have flaws or not?

[Golden Yak]

Honestly, I've been having so much fun I really don't notice the things that people are complaining about. I tend to gravitate away from stuff I don't like in any game, so even something that has a valid issue is usually something I just don't encounter. People say 'crafting is bullshit in Legion', and I go 'oh yeah, I guess leveling jewelcrafting is a pain', but I just don't do it. Or I do it rarely between raiding and dungeon running and questing, so I don't care.

And even then, people are usually so dramatic about complaints. "The legendary system is so terribad it will kill WoW forever and defile its corpse and break your legs!" Whatever flaws Legion may have, its not stopping me from enjoying a huge range of stuff in it.

[TheFirstOnes]

Yeah, did tweak it a bit, after posting it, for the wording to create less confusion about my intent. I mean "Nice" in the way it's delivered, not the actual message itself. Of course it would be difficult to disagree with the person if one only had 'nice' and similar things to say about it.


How is that even relevant to the topic in question? In your opinion, does the Expansion have flaws or not?

Yes, it has SOME flaws, but I still love the expac. Infact, it's my favorite expansion ever.

In your opinion, what do you think of legion as well?

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Except based on your reply to me, you're the textbook definition of "triggered" right now...

Hmmm, doesn't sound like i'm triggered there. Infact, i'm as cool as a cucumber.

[Banquetto]

so my question is, whys everyone here on MMOC ignoring that issue?

By "ignoring" you mean "filling half of the first page of the forum with whinethreads whining about exactly the same stuff as you whined about in this whinethread", right?

[Mehrunes]

Yes, the expansion is perfect and has no flaws.
Exactly what a fanboy with no critical thinking would say. Bravo~

Don't bother. They may say "I have yet to see any such accusation be based on any more than the replies in a single thread." now, but the moment you point out that the person ComputerNerd defended from being called a fanboy (and by pointing out I mean just that, without calling said person a fanboy yourself) and their tone instantly shifts to "But have you read every single post of theirs??!?!?". Only to follow that amazing goalpost moving with assertion that it's indeed one post that's enough. All based on completely arbitrary definition of a fanboy and touting it as second coming of god. For reference: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...1#post42933359 This exchange here made me want to finally read their reply.

Which, given the amount of dishonesty on the topic (and ignoring their One True Definition of a fanboy) does make me raise an eyebrow.

[Darkeon]

Yes, it has SOME flaws, but I still love the expac. Infact, it's my favorite expansion ever.

In your opinion, what do you think of legion as well?

I wouldn't say it's my favourite, but it's certainly a good one. With plenty of good features and, unfortunately, some flaws.

But I'm still waiting as to when the word "Opinion" comes into play on said previous posts and where was the part that I missed it.