Clinton Urged to Call For Recount After Suspected Vote Tampering And/Or Hacking

[Vyxn]

It's becoming clear that you don't understand what "conspiracy theory" means. Nobody's suggested there's evidence of any conspiracy. Numbers differed from polling in select counties by a pretty specific amount, which looks suspicious, so to be sure it's polling error rather than a technical failure, they're recommending a manual recount. That's it. You're playing this out into something it totally isn't.

the head line its self suggested vote tampering or hacking with not one shred of evidence that either occurred

it is all based on this statistic ,

"Clinton received 7 percent fewer votes in counties that relied on electronic-voting machines compared with counties that used optical scanners and paper ballots. , Clinton received 7 percent fewer votes in counties that relied on electronic-voting machines compared with counties that used optical scanners and paper ballots."

which can be explained by many reasons that are more credible then vote tampering or hacking
for example what counties used voting machines and what counties used optical scanners and paper ballots.
then compare demographics of those counties. which is a hell of a lot more plausible explanation then assuming hacking or fraud

[Nadiru]

How could people ask for a recount in Wisconsin and Michigan based on electronic voter fraud? Aren't they both >95% paper ballot states? And recounting Pennsylvania would have to reverse Trump's lead there by over 50k voters. That's voter fraud of an order of magnitude never seen in the US, ever.

[Forogil]

She's getting involved because as she and her campaign manager have said they got quite a few reports from their voters in those states that their votes didn't show up in the results.

However, democrats likely supported her initiative.

Having Jill Stein demand a recount mean that the democrats don't have to be involved directly (and even if they donated money for her recount no-one will see that as suspicious), and still reap the benefits.
Jill Stein gets free publicity - and major bonus points among democrats if something is uncovered.

There's also a lot of reported problems with those voting machines.

Yes. They are lots of problem with them - but at least they are made by an American company.

[jackofwind]

Yes. They are lots of problem with them - but at least they are made by an American company.

How typical of things made by American companies.

[Slant]

Well, thanks for the compliment, I'm glad it was read.

Responding to point out that my solution may have a new benefit to it, in that 3rd parties have a system they can gain traction in. I can't tell you how many times we've all heard that a vote for Stein or Johnson was a vote for Trump or Clinton. Many people buy into that. If their 3rd party candidate can take EC votes? The game changes. Of course, I'm sure if my solution were in place, we would eventually have a period where no one gets a majority of EC votes, so Congress ends up deciding the presidency. Fine by me in concept, but not with the current hyper-partisan atmosphere we've had for at least 10 years or so.

A multiple party system is more interesting, too. See, when we vote for one of the smaller parties, it's not wasted in any case. For instance, the Greens here are known to enter a coalition with the left-centrist SPD. So you could either vote for SPD, giving them more power, or you could opt to vote for Green, still keeping the option for their coalition as strong as it would be if you voted for SPD outright, but empowering the junior partner to be stronger in the coalition to emphasize an SPD rule with environmental responsibility.

This way you can actually mix and match and come pretty close to your own ideal wishes.

Of course it's a bit of a gamble, since nobody forces them to enter your dream coalition. But these things are known and mostly happen as expected. So it's a pretty safe bet.

[Slant]

was it propaganda or news when the liberal news agencies was proclaiming Clinton in a land slide and there was no path for Trump to 270?

If you're not able to distinguish between propaganda, news and predictions, you probably shouldn't be allowed to post publically. But that's just my personal opinion.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

the head line its self suggested vote tampering or hacking with not one shred of evidence that either occurred

it is all based on this statistic ,

"Clinton received 7 percent fewer votes in counties that relied on electronic-voting machines compared with counties that used optical scanners and paper ballots. , Clinton received 7 percent fewer votes in counties that relied on electronic-voting machines compared with counties that used optical scanners and paper ballots."

which can be explained by many reasons that are more credible then vote tampering or hacking
for example what counties used voting machines and what counties used optical scanners and paper ballots.
then compare demographics of those counties. which is a hell of a lot more plausible explanation then assuming hacking or fraud

Well, let's say it's just some kind of random error instead of deliberate hacking or tampering....if there is some kind of problem with the machines... wouldn't you want to know?

[Zyster]

Someone may of mentioned this, but something interesting I read this morning.

Since many of you are not from California, I thought I would take a moment to explain how Clinton increased her popular vote with no change in the electoral results. Nearly all of the increase in votes has come from the State of California which has the most lenient voting laws on the books. This means that in addition to absentee ballots, people are allowed to cast provisional ballots by walking into any polling place to vote. A provisional ballot is issued to a person who is not on the registered voters list at the polling place because they failed to register or went to the wrong polling place, or even quite possibly are illegals or moving from polling place to polling place. In a close election, a closer look at these ballots would take place But since Clinton already won the State of California's 55 electoral votes without the absentees and provisional ballots being counted, they are mostly irrelevant except for the purpose of increasing the popular vote. The rest of the nation does not think California should be the sole decider of elections which is why the Electoral votes are the only fair way of deciding an election. So now you know the real story behind the increase in the popular vote.

Source - California Citizens

[Xandrigity]

There is as much evidence that a pack of alpine yetis caused voter fraud or tampering as there is any evidence any tampering occurred.

Grasping at straws. Bring it on, I'll have to buy some more popcorn however to watch the left cry when the results are the same. It's like a sequel

[Xandrigity]

Perhaps it's time for the GOP to challenge Californias voter fraud issues. Illegals and dead people.

[alexw]

Someone may of mentioned this, but something interesting I read this morning.



Source - California Citizens

Wait...... You somehow think its 1 million illegal citizens voting....?

I'm guessing you also think its the unicorn riding lizard people that put them up to it too.

What is with you right-wingers and nutjob conspiracy theories?

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Perhaps it's time for the GOP to challenge Californias voter fraud issues. Illegals and dead people.

Yes of course, and don't forget the unicorn riding lizard people masterminding it all.

[Zyster]

Wait...... You somehow think its 1 million illegal citizens voting....?

I'm guessing you also think its the unicorn riding lizard people that put them up to it too.

What is with you right-wingers and nutjob conspiracy theories?

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Yes of course, and don't forget the unicorn riding lizard people masterminding it all.

Your response not only clearly indicates you didn't read the entire thing posted, but that your arrogance in defense of the left is very ignorant.

[Zyster]

The entire thing failed the moment it started with the "California shouldn't decide the whole election" nonsense.

So factual info failed due to not liking it? Didn't you guys just make fun of Trump for wanting to do something you guys claim "Changing facts because they don't like them"?

[Endus]

the head line its self suggested vote tampering or hacking with not one shred of evidence that either occurred

it is all based on this statistic ,

"Clinton received 7 percent fewer votes in counties that relied on electronic-voting machines compared with counties that used optical scanners and paper ballots. , Clinton received 7 percent fewer votes in counties that relied on electronic-voting machines compared with counties that used optical scanners and paper ballots."

which can be explained by many reasons that are more credible then vote tampering or hacking
for example what counties used voting machines and what counties used optical scanners and paper ballots.
then compare demographics of those counties. which is a hell of a lot more plausible explanation then assuming hacking or fraud

Regardless of how much you don't want to admit it, that statistic is "evidence". It's not proof, but it warrants further examination, which is all that's been suggested.

There's really no reason whatsoever to oppose a recount unless you fear your candidate was benefiting from fraud. If the votes are legitimate, the recount will show that, and that settles it. How is that a questionable thing to suggest?

[Zyster]

Mod supporting conspiracy theories lol. Hopefully reports go to someone that isn't Endus.

[The Emperor]

I want this thread closed because it's a conspiracy theory, now please do some good job mods.
(eat that, liberals)

[alexw]

Your response not only clearly indicates you didn't read the entire thing posted, but that your arrogance in defense of the left is very ignorant.

No I read the entire thing and it is one giant right-wing dog whistle. Lots of provisional ballots cast, and btw california has extremely lenient voting laws, oh and did I mention the illegals going from polling place to polling place voting?

Its pretty damn obvious what they want their fellow right-wingers to believe is happening. So yes my post is spot on.

[The Emperor]

Why can't people have an adult conversation over politics...

I have learned it the hard way here, liberals just can't be conversed with in adult fashion. When you provide facts, they just roll their eyes, act like they're so much better, then turn those facts upside down. And I can't blame them for that. When you got mainstream liberal media behaving the same way, no wonder they've picked up those bad habits. And don't get me started on social justice warriors from BLM and what not, they are the epitome of people who do not listen to reason, only to the bs that their ilk is spreading.
So, you can kiss adult conversations goodbye.

preemptive comment @Liberals yes, I overgeneralize and oversimplify, now go wear that safety pin and **** urselves

[The Emperor]

I think the problem is very few people are truly interested in politics on either side of the aisle, but still are allowed to have an opinion unfortunately.

Harassing the mainstream liberal media doesn't do you favors though.

Mainstream media is harassing itself by bringing standarts of journalism so low I literally go to forum to fight in a holy war.

[Sodia]

Do you guys remember the liberal outrage after Trump says that he may not agree with the results coz it may be rigged ?? What did they call him ?? A Lunatic a psyho a conspiracy theoriest :P But when lizard woman do that :P its ok