What do Trumpsters Think of His Hypcritical Flip-Flops?

[Nadiru]

China has a ton of issues, but its leverage with the US is not currently one of them. Canada has been wanting to do some renegotiation for a long while. Trump literally cannot leverage or put pressure on anyone or anything since he is actually not president yet. So I dont understand the "yet to leverage."

You keep pointing this out like he's not going to be President. Until you can prove otherwise, Trump has all of the leverage a President-elect has, which is to say: A fuck ton.

[GennGreymane]

You keep pointing this out like he's not going to be President. Until you can prove otherwise, Trump has all of the leverage a President-elect has, which is to say: A fuck ton.

And yet, that does not counter my example at all. What has he done yet with Canada for leverage? Canada has wanted to do renegotiation for some time. AKA Trump has nothing to do with them playing ball, as you put it.

[Auxora]

Pretty much all Presidents do this to a degree. The problem is this misconception people have about the President, which incorrectly is that he's all-ruling king and can implement any policy or law he wants (executive order jokes aside). So when they are running every candidate makes all kinds of declarations and promises about doing this policy and that policy, etc. to get votes.

But then after they win reality sets in that we intentionally setup our government to not be a monarchy like England, and the President's powers are far more limited than most people think. Republicans controlling Congress definitely helps, but especially for some of Trump's more radical ideas I guarantee that some will cross-over to the Demo side if they fear voter reprisal from their constituency. It won't be a rubber stamp for sure. And the Republican majority is pretty thin to where it won't take much to break it.

So his realization of that is why a lot of things are being toned down. He's smart enough to know that if he wants to get anything done he's going to have to soften his tone a bit. That's not unique to Trump though, if you go back and look at campaigns from all the past Presidents they all make more extreme promises than what they can actually deliver.

[Spectral]

You're saying bigot more than anyone else on this thread.

People are allowed to disagree, or must we just accept people have opinions and never discuss? If this is the case, why even be on this forum? Why is it scolding to be told "I disagree with you", "I think thats wrong", etc, etc?

I asked LaserSharkDFB if any Presidential candidate ever wasn't a stupid bigot and his response was "probably not". You don't think that's a bit ridiculous?

Your second paragraph is entirely disingenuous.

[GennGreymane]

I asked LaserSharkDFB if any Presidential candidate ever wasn't a stupid bigot and his response was "probably not". You don't think that's a bit ridiculous?

Your second paragraph is entirely disingenuous.

Its not.

I personally am not talking to LaserShark, his opinion does not bother me since I am not discussing things with him.

[Nadiru]

And yet, that does not counter my example at all. What has he done yet with Canada for leverage? Canada has wanted to do renegotiation for some time. AKA Trump has nothing to do with them playing ball, as you put it.

Perhaps, but it's an interesting series of events and/or coincidences for it to play out that way. And I expect Trump is going to be busy setting up his cabinet until late December, which proves Canada as being just good timing but leaves Mexico out in the open.

[GennGreymane]

Perhaps, but it's an interesting series of events and/or coincidences for it to play out that way. And I expect Trump is going to be busy setting up his cabinet until late December, which proves Canada as being just good timing but leaves Mexico out in the open.

Good timing being a few years now. What a coincidence. I took a piss on the same day as Trump. We must be bathroom buddies.

[RickJamesLich]

It's not his willingness to fight, it's the part where tinfoilhat-media convinced people that everyone else is literally their enemy.

Are you talking about the left or Trump here?

[Nadiru]

Are you talking about the left or Trump here?

Why not both?

[Spectral]

Its not.

I personally am not talking to LaserShark, his opinion does not bother me since I am not discussing things with him.

The reason that it's entirely disingenuous is because there's nothing in any of my posts that suggests that I have a problem with spirited disagreement. In fact, what I'm defending is people being able to disagree about issues without having ridiculous ad hominem attacks leveled at them.

If you think I'm arguing that "I disagree with you" or "I think that's wrong" is what constitutes being an unreasonable scold, I'd appreciate you linking to the post that seems to imply this.

[GennGreymane]

The reason that it's entirely disingenuous is because there's nothing in any of my posts that suggests that I have a problem with spirited disagreement. In fact, what I'm defending is people being able to disagree about issues without having ridiculous ad hominem attacks leveled at them.

If you think I'm arguing that "I disagree with you" or "I think that's wrong" is what constitutes being an unreasonable scold, I'd appreciate you linking to the post that seems to imply this.

You seem to because you desribe anyone disagreeing with an opinion as calling you a bigot. You are the only one really even using that term here.

[Spectral]

You seem to because you desribe anyone disagreeing with an opinion as calling you a bigot. You are the only one really even using that term here.

Could you cite an example of me saying this or are you just kind of reading something that's not there?

[GennGreymane]

Could you cite an example of me saying this or are you just kind of reading something that's not there?

Calling you out on all your posts as a whole, starting from page 13. I am not going to link them all, but I am reading that you keep saying everyone is labeling bigot, this bigot that.

Its why I am telling you to stay of Tumblr. Tumblr is just for shit posting, and horrible fan fiction porn.

[Spectral]

Calling you out on all your posts as a whole, starting from page 13. I am not going to link them all, but I am reading that you keep saying everyone is labeling bigot, this bigot that.

Its why I am telling you to stay of Tumblr. Tumblr is just for shit posting, and horrible fan fiction porn.

So there's not an actual example. I wanted to make sure I wasn't lacking for clarity and this is actually a problem with how you're reading what I've wrong; I'm comfortable stating that this is what's happened.

[GennGreymane]

So there's not an actual example. I wanted to make sure I wasn't lacking for clarity and this is actually a problem with how you're reading what I've wrong; I'm comfortable stating that this is what's happened.

Be comfortable with yourself. You are the one saying bigot more than anyone else, and that people are just labeled bigots, etc etc. How else am I supposed to take it other than "people who disagree just say bigot"?

[Zandalarian Paladin]

I called it a while ago. Trump is not a republican, he's an old democrat and he's making the big heads there rolling in a stupor because he's impossible to coin.

My hopes for a Trump presidency keep going up.

[Spectral]

Be comfortable with yourself. You are the one saying bigot more than anyone else, and that people are just labeled bigots, etc etc. How else am I supposed to take it other than "people who disagree just say bigot"?

I'm certainly comfortable that I wrote it coherently now that I've ascertained that you read something that's not there. I guess I must have explained this about a half-dozen times and the failure to comprehend it is on your end. That's fine. When you get stuck on something, you're strangely bad at doing anything other than repeating yourself.

[GennGreymane]

I called it a while ago. Trump is not a republican, he's an old democrat and he's making the big heads there rolling in a stupor because he's impossible to coin.

My hopes for a Trump presidency keep going up.

I like how he is trolling all my (R) friends. I live in NY, and we are used to Trump, everyone I know who is (D) expected him to reverse nearly everything, if not everything. NY (R) from the city and island just cares about taxes and money.

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Holy shit, it's amazing how hard you'd have to work to not get this. Things changing is fine. What's not great is telling people that think the thing that was acceptable roughly yesterday that they're stupid bigots for not changing fast enough.

The whataboutism is tiresome as well.

I'm not upset about anything. What I'm saying people object to is the hypocrisy of labeling people that don't support gay marriage "bigots" when this was a position held by nearly all powerful Democrats only a few years ago. The idea that objective standards can shift that much in a few years is pretty obviously absurd. Changing positions is fine - changing positions and then saying that everyone who hasn't also changed is a bigot is ridiculous.

So this is fundamentally equivalent to original sin. Everyone has to acknowledge that we're a bunch of stupid bigots, repent and self-flagellate.

I dont know where I could have gotten the idea you were saying "labeling people as bigot for disagreeing"

[Zandalarian Paladin]

I like how he is trolling all my (R) friends. I live in NY, and we are used to Trump, everyone I know who is (D) expected him to reverse nearly everything, if not everything. NY (R) from the city and island just cares about taxes and money.

I definitely think Trump is more republican in term of economy, so the right should be fairly happy with him. I just think that on social issues, he's more of a democrat than even Hillary was.

That makes me happy, somehow.

[Spectral]

I dont know where I could have gotten the idea you were saying "labeling people as bigot for disagreeing"

This post immediately followed someone literally saying that all presidential candidates are stupid bigots.

But whatever, like I said, you're just not great at understanding anything that doesn't jibe with what you already believe. If you actually believe that the only place that anyone gets called a bigot is on Tumblr, you're deliberately ignorant.