Should I just switch loot spec to Frost, before it's too late?

[Deleted]

I too have the Unholy belt, again don't let that stop you from investing in Frost. My advice is to start today. I've started investing in Frost two weeks ago, weapon ilevel is 897 and traits are 29. My uh weapon is 904 with 33 traits. In both raids and M+ i'm seeing frost edging out in ST and aoe.

I'll be honest, I hated the switch initially, but not too long after I started to appreciate Frosts utility and damage output.

In short, start investing, change your mindset (see it as increasing your utility as a DK, which is a good thing), and be glad that the rotation you're learning is simple yet varied enough depending on the situation (OBRA for raids, FSGA for M+).

This is exactly what I did. I have the unholy belt and sephuz's secret but i also dropped unholy for frost a few weeks ago. My weapon is only 888 due to bad luck with frost relics but both weapons are at 31 traits now. My apoc is 900 but frost still rapes unholy in every aspect of dps. I hated frost and never wanted to switch but after I did, it turns out I think frost is super fun. The aoe stun and sustained dps is awesome in m+ which I am spamming atm. Sindragosas fury is also super fun visually and dps wise. Epic spec honestly, and IT uptime becomes much easier to maintain once you get the ranged frost strike trait. I got it fairly soon because I think the utility is far too great to add last.

I've done it. The more I play Frost the more I enjoy it. The RNG in unholy doesn't change the fact that it isn't reactive - it's just frustrating. You have choices but those are purely based on shit-streaks of bad luck and "FFS" moments rather than good ones. Frost artifact at 868 (898 UH) because of crap relics but it's already pulling way ahead in damage as a spec and aoe is instant which is another big plus. I'm looking forward to developing the spec and seeing where it goes but I have to admit I am enjoying it more than I thought I would...

[Coldvibes]

I could say this and would trigger the fuck out of every UH DK ever.
2-2-2

And that is why I swapped over to Frost.

[Deleted]

I could say this and would trigger the fuck out of every UH DK ever.
2-2-2

And that is why I swapped over to Frost.

Makes me rage so hard!

[Akusa202]

Then why did you stick to DKs ? You knew damn well blizzard isn't known for balancing classes especially when you know wow has been around for like what, 20 years ? There has always been a class (or race, I'm looking at you starcraft2) performing better than the rest and that trends will never changes because that how we keep people playing this godamned game : blame onto something.

Wtf is that supposed to mean? It's not like i could look into a crystal ball when getting the expansion that dks would be at the bottom. And this isn't an expansion where you can freely reroll. Thankfully frost isn't in a terrible place so we have options there, but if it was ever the case where both specs were trash, that's it. I'd quit before i'd waste months farming up AP and gear on a new class.

[Shadowman 747]

You're gonna need to regear if you go frost, or if you stay UH. Castigator build is going to be eclipsed by clawing shadows mastery build in 7.1.5.

Honestly, it doest matter, you dont have a spec specific legendary. Balance is up in the air. Frost will do more for now, but looking to the future, there is no way to tell.

[Joeygiggles]

quick question here, why would loot spec matter between frost and unholy? I have a 2 DPS specs on my warrior as well and switch loot spec between arms and fury has done nothing. It doesnt give me stats that i prefer or anything like that its random for me so Im just curious?

[Ealyssa]

Of course it is.

And it is.

Absolutely not. First tier of the expansion isn't even released... It's plain retarded to think otherwise. And you should never go full retard.

[Deleted]

Was in same situation as yourself before patch 7.1. I spent a week grinding out AP, Almost getting my 5% in my frost artifact. Unholy is still sitting at 26. Part of the reason why I gave up on Unholy, not only because it did less damage, but also because the last traits don't really give you any actual performance increases, it's demotivating.

Not only that, but Frost just has way better tools and utility in both Raids and Mythic+ offered through their artifact and talents. That AMS trait of frost? I don't think I can live without that now, it allows me to basically cheese mechanics. Sindragosa's fury, a massive big fat aoe to drop on adds? Hell yes, even gotten to the point where I coordinate with the other Frost DK who drops his when to make quick work of things. Aoe stun on Remorseless winter? Yes please. Hell, even the utility traits for frost are miles better, such as DS healing 300% more in Icebound, that has saved me in PVP and myhitc+ more than I can count, and it allowed my guild to get our first Mythic Ursoc kill because I was able to tank him for the duration of Icebound after both tanks dropped dead, by just constantly getting 2 million death strikes off.
What does unholy actually get that is able to measure up to that? Yeah, back when I played Unholy, my double grips were crisp, but as frost, I still have my main Death Grip, It's not like I lose my ability to grip shit, I can just do it less frequently.

Unholy severely lacks the abilities to shine and stand out, and it doesn't perform well. It is a demotivating spec to play, despite the fact I love it to bits.

quick question here, why would loot spec matter between frost and unholy? I have a 2 DPS specs on my warrior as well and switch loot spec between arms and fury has done nothing. It doesnt give me stats that i prefer or anything like that its random for me so Im just curious?

Legendaries. They go off based on your lootspec.

[Traxwow]

Doesn't matter how easy or hard a spec is; The type of person who goes for the "better" spec instead of the one he actually enjoys playing is always some underperforming shitter who thinks he'll improve by switching specs.

link your logs and lets see who's the "underperforming shitter"
I haven't touched DK since cata and I could probably do better than you after a day of playing it.

[Joeygiggles]

Legendaries. They go off based on your lootspec.

Ah ok my fault I must have missed something when reading his post, thought he just meant regular gear

[TEHPALLYTANK]

You're gonna need to regear if you go frost, or if you stay UH. Castigator build is going to be eclipsed by clawing shadows mastery build in 7.1.5.

Honestly, it doest matter, you dont have a spec specific legendary. Balance is up in the air. Frost will do more for now, but looking to the future, there is no way to tell.

Welp, guess I'm just going to abandon my DK, got it to 93 but I find Frost to be an absolutely miserable experience to play. Time to park him with my shadow priest, as yet another victim of shitty changes that 7.1.5 is going to bring. Maybe I should just level my shaman and pray they make ele viable...blah.

Why is it the fun specs are either bad or getting nerfed?

[Deleted]

Absolutely not. First tier of the expansion isn't even released... It's plain retarded to think otherwise. And you should never go full retard.

Bliz cleary said they wouldn't buff one spec over the an other.

I have complete faith in their ability to balance specs.

Also i can switch to my fire spec if i have to.

Nice use of the word retard, stay classy.

[Catacrusis]

Just play whatever you enjoy playing. As long as you're parsing well enough with your class/spec it shouldn't really matter unless you're in a guild pushing within the first several weeks of new content.

I've played mostly Frost since the removal of Blood DPS, but it's really not that difficult to have both your unholy and frost weapons within a few points of eachother. It's very possible to parse 90/95 (or higher) with only utility legendaries, which gives you the freedom to play whatever you feel is best for a given raid tier or fight.

Spec specific legendaries are a frustrating problem, but I wouldn't let that be the deciding factor in what you enjoy from a class.

[Raiz]

link your logs and lets see who's the "underperforming shitter"
I haven't touched DK since cata and I could probably do better than you after a day of playing it.

Why are you feeling offended ? It's kind of true tbh. Look @ all the kids asking "what's the best spec" when they didn't even touch the DK... You shouldn't feel concerned because you've been doing that. This is more of a general rule. You may perfectly be an exception.

Ps : Although, I'd like to bet 1 day isn't enough. Probably possible with Frost, since it's such a brainless spec

[Traxwow]

Why are you feeling offended ? It's kind of true tbh. Look @ all the kids asking "what's the best spec" when they didn't even touch the DK... You shouldn't feel concerned because you've been doing that. This is more of a general rule. You may perfectly be an exception.

Ps : Although, I'd like to bet 1 day isn't enough. Probably possible with Frost, since it's such a brainless spec

Don't project. You started out raging at people who decided to roll a class you play. Emotionally unstable. Still not linking those perfect 99 percentile frost dk logs

[ppcool]

I suggest you should finish up your weapon first

[Deleted]

Don't project. You started out raging at people who decided to roll a class you play. Emotionally unstable. Still not linking those perfect 99 percentile frost dk logs

you can't even keep track of who you are replying to so i doubt you can keep track of fdk rotation no matter how simple it is

[Deleted]

I decided to wait, and wait, because I love Unholy, but I'm 880 ilvl with perfect stats and I'm being third in DPS in EN HC in a guild that's around 865-870 ilvl.

I got 1 Legendary - Acherus Drapes, which also work for Frost, but my weapon is 903 ilvl with 34 traits. I don't know, if I want to leave Unholy behind, because I simply feel no enjoyment from it anymore, and the new changes doesn't make it look more appealing to me.

you are saying you are 3rd on your dps meter,

so my question for you is what are you hoping for?

i don't care if your guild is lower ilvl, its your choice for being there to begin with.


you must be nr 1 on dps or what? if your top 5 on dps in any raiding guild. than do you really need improvement?

it seems wierd. if you truely like your "Unholy spec" you would just play it.

[Traxwow]

you can't even keep track of who you are replying to so i doubt you can keep track of fdk rotation no matter how simple it is

I don't bother looking at the names of people who don't matter. I assumed the person responding was the same person I initially quoted. You're right though, the frost rotation is simple. It explains why someone like you is able to play it, even if you don't play it well.

[iky43210]

I don't get the hate toward "fotm" players. Playing to maximize dps? what a crime!

Usually the biggest shitters I see are knuckleheads diehard who thinks playing a single spec or class till the end, no matter how bad it is, is somehow an achievement. I can get why people are nationalistic, but applying that same attitude in video games is outright bizarre. There's no brownie points or stars to be earned here for defending your spec/class.