Italy has a national referendum on Sunday

[BourneWolf]

My lot?
What? I had nothing to do with the Orange thing or the breexit(whenever that one happens).



Ye, I really have no idea what you're on about.

The naive Left CREATED the orange thing and the Brexit situation.

But you are all too dumb to see it.

infracted - minor flaming

[JohnBrown1917]

The naive Left CREATED the orange thing and the Brexit situation.

But you are all too dumb to see it.

You're free to believe that and all, but what do I have to do with that?

Not that the US has a left to speak of, outside of Bernie and his supporters, so not sure how they created Trumpy. But hey, believe what you want.

[Grym]

Politicians do the most idiotic things at times.

So this year:

Brexit
Trump

We still have time for Itaxit before 2017 comes.

[serenka]

So this year:

Brexit
Trump

We still have time for Itaxit before 2017 comes.

itaxit sounds weird, not even easy to say. it should be italexit.

[Activi-T]

So this year:

Brexit
Trump

We still have time for Itaxit before 2017 comes.

I doubt we'll get Italeave before the end of 2017.

[NED funded]

So this year:

Brexit
Trump

We still have time for Itaxit before 2017 comes.

Actually this ensures that there won't be an Itaxit.

[serenka]

itaxit sounds weird, not even easy to say. it should be italexit.

So this year:

Brexit
Trump

We still have time for Itaxit before 2017 comes.

I doubt we'll get Italeave before the end of 2017.

oh yeah italeave is much better than italexit.

[Grym]

I doubt we'll get Italeave before the end of 2017.

They don't have to actually leave (Brexit still technically not happened yet), just the realisation or announcement of it is sufficient.

This poll pretty much strongly against the Euro, and EU most likely won't let Italy stop the single currency without exiting EU, so if both side hold their stance firm, Italeave is probably the likely outcome.

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oh yeah italeave is much better than italexit.

Agree, we both got owned.

[BourneWolf]

They don't have to actually leave (Brexit still technically not happened yet), just the realisation or announcement of it is sufficient.

This poll pretty much strongly against the Euro, and EU most likely won't let Italy stop the single currency without exiting EU, so if both side hold their stance firm, Italeave is probably the likely outcome.

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Agree, we both got owned.

Quitaly or Italeave are both as good as each other

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I don't see how this is in anyway comparable to Trump or Brexit. A progressive prime minister is trying to reform parliament and their constitution to consolidate power. Sounds like something American and European liberals would support, especially with their comments regarding the electoral college.

Didn't Italian Socialist try this already under Mussolini?

Its exactly the same things.

Low paid private sector natives have had enough of supporting freeloaders.

Its the reason Socialism fails every single time.

[Masark]

Its exactly the same things.

Low paid private sector natives have had enough of supporting freeloaders.

Its the reason Socialism fails every single time.

Low-paid private sector workers have again been duped as to who exactly the freeloaders are.

[alexw]

Not odd at all.

Its the same anti-establishment movement over and over again caused by the negative impact left wing politics has on the native private sector worker.

We are all sick of your bullshit.

Umm the five star movement is a left wing movement. It's modeled on the left wing Podemos movement of Spain. It's actually pretty strongly EU, however it is vehemently anti Euro.

[Malacrass]

Well, that was incredibly dumb. Or he was doing this intentionally to have a reason to resign (and enjoy early retirement). Italies financial sector is in deep trouble, almost comparable to Greece, and the bubble is about to burst. Seems he wanted to get out of the fireline before shit really hits the fan.

[alexw]

They don't have to actually leave (Brexit still technically not happened yet), just the realisation or announcement of it is sufficient.

This poll pretty much strongly against the Euro, and EU most likely won't let Italy stop the single currency without exiting EU, so if both side hold their stance firm, Italeave is probably the likely outcome.

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Agree, we both got owned.

FALSE.

The EU and Euro are two utterly different things. There are multiple nations that are in the EU but don't use the Euro. There isn't any current push to have them adopt the Euro either, as everyone recognizes how bad it is (but incredibly hard to get out of if you already use it).

[JohnBrown1917]

Low-paid private sector workers have again been duped as to who exactly the freeloaders are.

Its rather funny how the low-paid workers in the Netherlands would benefit the most if our socialist party got into the government.

[NED funded]

Quitaly or Italeave are both as good as each other

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Its exactly the same things.

Low paid private sector natives have had enough of supporting freeloaders.

Its the reason Socialism fails every single time.

Eh the five start movement supports basic income.

[Zelk]

Umm the five star movement is a left wing movement. It's modeled on the left wing Podemos movement of Spain. It's actually pretty strongly EU, however it is vehemently anti Euro.

No it isn't and whoever told you that is wrong

[JohnBrown1917]

Umm the five star movement is a left wing movement. It's modeled on the left wing Podemos movement of Spain. It's actually pretty strongly EU, however it is vehemently anti Euro.

https://www.sp.nl/onderwerp/euro

Seems our most left-wing party is also anti-euro.
Very understandable if the governments in other countries, like Italy, cause its value to drop.

[Deleted]

Oh it's about whether they leave the EU? Weren't they the poor country who had issues and didn't wanna pay EU back? Sorry if I'm ignorant.

No and Yes.

Italy is not a poor country by any means. It actually has a big economy. However, due to different problems, they fail to manage it properly. So they entered the bubble during the economic crysis and got hit badly by it. So some EU countries helped it get back on its feet. The issue is that their economy isn't doing amazing now as it's not a 1-month process to put everything back on track and if they fall again, they're going to drag us all in a crysis due to the fact that they have a big economy. And then it will be a domino and a new economic crysis will start.

This is unlike Greece, where even if they had fully rejected the plan, the EU and countries trading with them could prepare, as Greece's economy isn't as big.

[alexw]

Low-paid private sector workers have again been duped as to who exactly the freeloaders are.

They haven't actually been duped in this case. You see in southern Europe populism manifests itself on the left not on the right. So there was syriza in Greece, podemos in Spain, and the five star movement in Italy. They've slowly been gaining strength there. You'll note there has been zero scapegoating of immigrants by them - because they are a left-wing group and left wing groups don't blame immigrants for problems. They are still very anti-establishment though.

[nextormento]

Umm the five star movement is a left wing movement. It's modeled on the left wing Podemos movement of Spain. It's actually pretty strongly EU, however it is vehemently anti Euro.

They're very vocally eurosceptic.
They're part of the EFDD group in the EU parliament, along with AfD, UKiP, Wolność or Sweden Democrats.
Sharing the spot with these right to far right parties is not what a typical left-aligned party does.
But, in the name of plausible deniability, they reject any left-right alignment.

Their similarities with Podemos are that they established themselves as a protest platform. Nothing else. They even predate Podemos by some 4 or 5 years.