Afflication and 7.1.5

[Tuskchi]

Despite all the "Kill Warlock" and "Warlock sux" threads, I'm deciding on trying to bring up a normal discussion.

Do you think Affli go straight downhill at the change of power between Primary and Secondary stats? As far I've seen and know, Mastery is > Intelect for Affliction warlocks. Therefore it seems logical that their dps will suffer( which is kinda sad already ).

However, I saw some "stat changes" from the PTR and Live and after squish, I saw about 5-to-8% difference on the main secondary stat ( which is stacked the heaviest obviously ). That doesn't seem that frightening and if we are receiving some bonus DPS from the base of the spell, because of the Primary stat buff, things should balance out.

Only downside would be that there are some cool trinkets that give you + Mastery/ Secondary stat and + efffect, which would most likely make them weaker compared to flat + Intellect trinkets.

Any thoughts?

[Deleted]

I'm not so worried about that as they've said they will adjust things so that "player power" stays the same. Mastery just makes affliction do better damage.

I'd be more worried if I played a class/spec that has stat breakpoints that influence how playable they are. For example, demonology doesn;t rely on Haste for mere numbers. It's just horrible and difficult to play without very high Haste because it's immobile as fuck and pretty much everything is long-hard casts. Feels liek wading through molasses without lot and lots of Haste.

Other class specs have similar issues. The crit change would have really hurt fire mage, but they are changing fire so that it's less dependent on crits, the two are not unrelated. Of ocurse mage being the special snowflake will get adjusted whilst demolocks will just be told to suck it up because it's too hard to change dmeonic empowerment.

[Tuskchi]

Demonic Empowerement is too great mechanic to change! Unlike the crit for Fire Mages LOL ...

I'm wondering ... am I the only one who plays with a Instant Shadow/Demon bolt after casting DE? That's like a must have talent for me and since DE is just above 1sec cast ... I summon demon -> DE -> Instant Bolt ... and build Soul Shards that way

[sd2400533]

I'm not worried at all, because I don't think there is still room for a class to get any worse than we are currently are.

[Sunlighthell]

I'm not worried at all, because I don't think there is still room for a class to get any worse than we are currently are.

Currently there're nerf for both pvp and pve on ptr so i think blizzard will surprise you

[Snes]

The Sow the Seeds nerf to 3 targets down from 5 is going to hurt.

AoE was the only thing Affliction had going for it.

[Spunt]

The Sow the Seeds nerf to 3 targets down from 5 is going to hurt.

AoE was the only thing Affliction had going for it.

Looks like just casting a regular seed now costs a shard as well.

[Zinnin]

The Sow the Seeds nerf to 3 targets down from 5 is going to hurt.

AoE was the only thing Affliction had going for it.

[ 1 + 138% 215% of Spell Power ]

Seed of Corruption damage went up as well, total damage of Sow the Seeds is about the same as before (actually slightly higher). Base seed is just now closer to the Sow the Seeds damage.

[evertonbelmontt]

Wait, what?

SoC says it's "instant"?

Other changes to SoC list it as 2.5cast but costs a soul shard even without StS. Meaning StS will cost 2 shards to be cast.

I don't get the notes, someone has to clarify us.

[Toastiekins]

Wait, what?

SoC says it's "instant"?

PTR notes. It's been instant quite a few times. Same with chaos bolt and thal'kiels. Here's hoping, though! Then again, I don't want to play affliction. NotLikeThis

[Arachnofiend]

On the PTR, looks like Seed of Corruption always costs a soul shard but Sow the Seeds does not cost an additional one (so it's one soul shard whether you have the talent or not).

[FelPlague]

well with contaigon being buffed, and malefic grasp going from 20% to 80% holy shit aff is gunna be good

[Brightamethyst]

Malefic Grasp looks awesome but I doubt it's going to stay that powerful. If it does everyone will probably drop Effigy for Soul Conduit and make draining a priority. (Which most people would love because everyone hates Effigy anyway.)

It'll be interesting the see how Empowered Life Tap compares to Absolute Corruption. Contagion is still looking like the winner on single target, but I'm not sure how a flat 12% damage buff stacks up to permanent Corruption on multi-target. Probably depends on how long things live.

[Deleted]

(Which most people would love because everyone hates Effigy anyway.)

Thats like saying that everyone hates you too. No, not everyone hates effigy. Most people are okay with it and few loud whiners cry for it on forums..

[Brightamethyst]

Being OK with something and actually liking it are not the same thing.

As far as I am aware, relatively few people actually like Effigy. Most raiders are willing to put up with it because there's really no other choice, but many would ditch it immediately given another option. I have never met anyone, in game or on the forums, who actually likes the Effigy play style.

[Deleted]

MG won't stay at 80%

affli llocks are not allowed to have a chance to be viable

[Deleted]

If the changes stay this way i might as well play affliction in nighthold. Luckily i already have all my weapons on 30+ traits

[demonyaa]

The Sow the Seeds nerf to 3 targets down from 5 is going to hurt.

AoE was the only thing Affliction had going for it.

Its actually a significant buff to 3 target scenarios and still a buff for 4 targets, due to the spell power coefficient buff.

For huge packs its a 7% damage on SoC itself, but this is only one of the important components of our large pack AOE damage (corruption and soul flame are the other important components).

On large packs this result in a nerf between 2% and 5% which is a very good trade off for the 3 target buff which is an important damage scenario in high mythic+.

[Sunlighthell]

MG won't stay at 80%

affli llocks are not allowed to have a chance to be viable

Pretty much this. They will nerf it. Currently with reap and MG in 881 gear with 103% mastery UA crits for 500k+

[kavousanos]

Pretty much this. They will nerf it. Currently with reap and MG in 881 gear with 103% mastery UA crits for 500k+

Nerf or no nerf, we should be happy they gave us true variation in the talents.
A quick glimpse on demos will convince you that even a 20% nerf to MG is no biggie :P