"What is The Left willing to give up on?"

[bladeXcrasher]

Well, luckily AA isn't racist.



It literally does mean it, rofl.

You clearly don't know what Affirmative Action is or what it does.

[NED funded]

Conservatives have historically never been good with economics, both in the USA and elsewhere in the world. I know that every time Canada has elected a Conservative leader federally, they have run massive deficits, while the Liberals have historically run smaller deficits until recent years, where they have done similarly but spent money in more important areas (the last Conservative government was trying to sink hundreds of billions into buying overpriced fighters from the USA that we don't need when the European option was both financially more logical and more useful for our military needs). These days Trudeau is pissing away our taxes on refugees meanwhile our healthcare system has been going to shit thanks to major budget cuts from the previous Conservative government. It's hard choosing a lesser of two evils in politics, but even Trudeau has proven inept with things like a gender balanced cabinet and having minorities represented in certain areas (have no problems with First Nations getting represented because god knows they need it, but I personally don't want certain religious groups being given a voice in federal politics where they can push their religious ideologies around).

That's because liberals aren't socialists. When I'm talking about socialism I refer to what happens in Peru where the left is "truly socialist" is just relinquished to the opposition party that speaks for the indigenous population that is being constantly discriminated. Or the UK where labour seems unable hold any position that is not opposition, save for those few dudes that distanced themselves from the party.

[Underverse]

People with white sounding names are more likely to be invited to an interview. It is easier for white people with a criminal record to get a job than a black person with out. Discriminatory housing policies and under funding of schools which create a spiral of poverty in black neighborhoods. Black men and white women face different obstacles.

I'm glad you're actually bringing some data to the table so we can have a discussion. And I mean that sincerely, because even though you haven't provided sources I know about some of the studies you're referencing.

That being said, I will comment that these correlation studies are notoriously difficult to control. For example - resume name callback studies: the researchers basically associate the name with callback rate, and then associate the name with incidence by ethnic group. No causal relationship is demonstrated in these studies. Moreover, they tend to neglect economic effects; if you look at name correlation within an ethnic group, what you'll see is that names like 'William' receive many more callbacks than names like 'Travis' - and if you look at data on general life success, you'll see the same pattern. I'm worried that, because of economic disadvantages within black communities, these effects are being conflated with racism.

[JohnBrown1917]

I see we are taking a page straight out of the liberal handbook:

We are never wrong! Deflect! Don't answer the question honestly just bash the right!

You sheep amaze me.

Why would liberald bash themselves?

[Zenotetsuken]

Black people as a group are still a lot poorer, less educated and less political powerful than white people as a group. It's not outdated.

Unequal representation ≠ discrimination. Black people are poorer overall, because less businesses are willing to take the financial risk that comes with building in areas that have less money to spend. THAT is your spiral of poverty. You want to stop that spiral? Get more black business owners to invest in building up their communities, to prove that building there isn't a lost cause, instead of blaming other people for not wanting to risk their money simply because "feelings".

[JohnBrown1917]

Political correctness.
Censorship
Gender Theory
Feminism
And 'positive' discrimination

Those are the Five major things wrong with liberal ideology both in the EU and US. They all need to be thrown out to make me even consider voting for one of their candidates.

I can't remember the last time our liberal parties where ever the ones pushing those.

[NED funded]

Most people also tend to ignore science they don't like, so I don't see how that's really going to help much.

Everyone is on the side of science. But see, this science that I don't like here, it's clearly a conspiracy...

People overstate the importance of science in policy making. Most of its importance boils down to: this is happening and we should addres it or leave it alone"

[Elba]

lol what?

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...ely-get-respo/

https://csgjusticecenter.org/reentry...or-employment/

That would be an interesting line of discussion, can you post your sources on this?

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/...orhood/371439/

[Redhell]

It literally does mean it, rofl.

af·firm·a·tive ac·tion
noun NORTH AMERICAN
an action or policy favoring those who tend to suffer from discrimination, especially in relation to employment or education; positive discrimination.

The word used in the very definition is "favoring" which is why it's inherently racist. Could you argue that it's a necessary form of counter racism? Sure, but it's still racist.

Disclaimer: I believe it was great back in the 60s, but in today's society, it's causing another issue. Racists are problems, but children and grandchildren of racists that aren't racist shouldn't have to suffer if they aren't contributing to the problem.

[DesMephisto]

Normally I post articles for discussion, but today I'm going to do something different: I'm just going to ask a question and see what comes back

The question is:

"What is The Left willing to give up, to compromise on, to change about its internal culture and beliefs?"

By that I mean, what are the negotiable beliefs that can be compromised on to bring the left back towards the middle where democracies will be more willing to trust and vote for Democrats/etc?

Some possible themes and areas:

- Abortion
- Reproductive rights
- Gay marriage
- Gender theory
- Political correctness
- Social welfare
- Cross-sectional feminism
- Climate change
- Obamacare
- Positive discrimination
- Capitalism vs socialism
- Censorship
- etc

A simple statement like "I think Democrats should give up on this area"

Gender theory and political correctness if it gives me everything else.

[GreenJesus]

And once again, the fact that what the usual suspects call ''the left'' is called ''Tories'' in other countries. The illusion that Hillary is a dangerous communist is almost cute, considering she was quite to the right of for instance our most conservative PM since Diefenbaker. What Bernie Sanders said was also quite bog standard European center left.

Yes, I will be very blunt here : what people calls ''Obamacare'' is called ''public healthcare'' and is bog standard normal in Western countries even for the far right Geert Wilders, Marine Le Pen, and co. are not against public healthcare.

No one gives one flying shit about a European's advice on running America.

[Kalis]

Well, luckily AA isn't racist.

They might try to present reasons for justifying it and those reasons may even have some merit, but it is by its very nature discriminatory.

It literally does mean it, rofl.

No, affirmative action is giving a person precedence based on their race and/or gender, othersie no action is being taken and it kind of needs action to be taken to qualify for the second word.

[Nihilanth]

The left needs to grow the fuck up.

[Blobfish]

The left should give up Censorship

For example the movie "Sausage Party" is R Rated.. but it is a Cartoon.

And I want to give the movie in DVD format to my 10 year nephew as a chrissy present. he like Pixar movies
.. but lefty censorship man says I cannot.

Also 'The problem with the left is that you eventually run out of spending other people's money.'

[Elba]

No, affirmative action is giving a person precedence based on their race and/or gender, othersie no action is being taken and it kind of needs action to be taken to qualify for the second word.

No it doesn't. See below.

You clearly don't know what Affirmative Action is or what it does.

It means hiring to be free of racial bias.

Given that there has historically been a racial bias in favor of white people it means a leg up for non whites.

[I Push Buttons]

Some possible themes and areas:

- Abortion
- Reproductive rights
- Gay marriage
- Gender theory
- Political correctness
- Social welfare
- Cross-sectional feminism
- Climate change
- Obamacare
- Positive discrimination
- Capitalism vs socialism
- Censorship
- etc

A simple statement like "I think Democrats should give up on this area"

Among those, the bold are what I am not only willing to give up, I encourage they give up.

If you think you are a demigendernumale or whatever gender you imagined today, you have a mental disorder and should be treated.

Political correctness is retarded and perpetually offended people need to fuck off.

Modern "feminism" is a cancer that deserves no support, it is no longer about equality, but a veritable war on men.

Affirmative action is stupid and has done little to raise minorities from poverty whilst simultaneously increasing animosity between the races.

Censorship is unacceptable unless censoring the promotion of violence. If something offends you so much that you need to complain about it or have it censored, I refer to my previous statement on PC, fuck off.

[JohnBrown1917]

The left needs to grow the fuck up.

When will you guys get that Clinton is not left-wing?

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The left should give up Censorship

For example the movie "Sausage Party" is R Rated.. but it is a Cartoon.

And I want to give the movie in DVD format to my 10 year nephew as a chrissy present. he like Pixar movies
.. but lefty censorship man says I cannot.

Also 'The problem with the left is that you eventually run out of spending other people's money.'

'Censorship' is not a unique left-wing thing.

[Redhell]

'Censorship' is not a unique left-wing thing.

Correct. More people on the right have argued against net-neutrality. Censorship in the sense of being PC is more left-wing oriented, however.

[Arainie]

Half of the things you listed are human rights in a civilized country and shouldn't be negoatiable for either party. Reproductive rights for everyone, marriage in any of it's forms, climate change awareness and possibly more issues depending on who you ask shouldn't even be debatable, they're quite frankly required for you to appear as a 21st century civilized country. The fact that such a large portion of a country like USA fails to grasp that the same human rights apply to everyone regardless of your physical appearance, religious beliefs or sexual orientation is still beyond me.

[NYC17]

Is this a serious post? Why the fuck do you think it being a "cartoon" means it's suitable for a 10 year old? Would you give anime porn to a 10 year old?

I'm confused as to when censorship became a liberal thing? At least in the medium of television and movies.