Amount of people seeking refugee in Sweden have gone down in 2016

[Krille]

According to latest numbers the amount of people seeking refugee in Sweden has gone from 160 000+ to 27 000, a decrease of about 80%. The only group of people that have increasingly decided to come to Sweden are Turks, most likely because of the coup and following events.

My opinion is that we need more people, especially young people. Our collective workforce is going to be stretched to it's limits in a couple of years when the biggest age-group is turning 65+ and thus stop working. But at the same time we can't just accept anyone, this is a tricky problem.

Do you think Sweden should do more or is 27 000 enough?

Source: Migrationsverket.se and http://www.sydsvenskan.se/2016-12-25...med-80-procent

[Deleted]

It's still too many refugees.

We should bring people in through the labor migration system that we have if we're to bring people in to work. Not take refugees. Refugees are a net loss.

[Pengekaer]

According to latest numbers the amount of people seeking refugee in Sweden has gone from 160 000+ to 27 000, a decrease of about 80%. The only group of people that have increasingly decided to come to Sweden are Turks, most likely because of the coup and following events.

My opinion is that we need more people, especially young people. Our collective workforce is going to be stretched to it's limits in a couple of years when the biggest age-group is turning 65+ and thus stop working. But at the same time we can't just accept anyone, this is a tricky problem.

Do you think Sweden should do more or is 27 000 enough?

Source: Migrationsverket.se and http://www.sydsvenskan.se/2016-12-25...med-80-procent

Fine, let's start a greencard program and recruit people then. Make sure they have their job-situation cleared before they arrive.

Also, Sweden (or most of Northern Europe) don't really need more people as much as we need more educated, highly skilled/productive people.

Turkey and the ME can't deliver in this regard (this is a postulate by me), mostly substantiated by the absence of high-tech industries/companies in the ME, their low GDPs (mostly fueled by low-tech such as agriculture and oil) and their atrocious institutes of higher learning.

[Krille]

Well, duuh. The crisis is mostly "contained", people that needed to flee have already fled.

Sweden took great measures though. Policing the border and demanding visas which meant that most Afghan youngsters couldnt get into the country. Also the fact that Turkey is (still) acting gatekeeper and preventing many from getting into Europe. So no it's not just because the crisis is "contained".

[kail]

It's still too many refugees.

We should bring people in through the labor migration system that we have if we're to bring people in to work. Not take refugees. Refugees are a net loss.

The purpose of taking refugees was never to achieve some monetary gain. They will always equate to a net loss, but countries will continue to do so for humanitarian reasons.

[Deleted]

The purpose of taking refugees was never to achieve some monetary gain. They will always equate to a net loss, but countries will continue to do so for humanitarian reasons.

Yes, it was. Our PM and many others claimed we will benefit economically from them because so many were highly educated while in reality very few were actaully highly educated.

[lonely zergling]

You can thank Turkey and Macedonia for this.

[ParanoiD84]

Maby they dont like being sent up north in sweden where the sun dont go up anymore and it's cold as fuck.

[primalmatter]

Are they running out of people to send?

[Grimbold21]

Disappointing news for the Tennistroll

[Dezerte]

Yes, it was. Our PM and many others claimed we will benefit economically from them because so many were highly educated while in reality very few were actaully highly educated.

It's possible they've said that (perhaps in an attempt to combat the growing anti-refugee sentiment), but accepting refugees is not about financial gain - it has always been a humanitarian cause.

[Krille]

It's possible they've said that (perhaps in an attempt to combat the growing anti-refugee sentiment), but accepting refugees is not about financial gain - it has always been a humanitarian cause.

It can be of many reasons. The main one is humanitarian, but don't think they haven't thought about gaining some kind of long-term economic winnings in this. If it would've been taken care of in a better way and if we can make it work we'll gain from it. Remember, any spending is a + on the GDP charts, even by the government. And with more people in Sweden and some of them working we're set to make profit from it.

[Forogil]

According to latest numbers the amount of people seeking refugee in Sweden has gone from 160 000+ to 27 000, a decrease of about 80%. The only group of people that have increasingly decided to come to Sweden are Turks, most likely because of the coup and following events.

My opinion is that we need more people, especially young people. Our collective workforce is going to be stretched to it's limits in a couple of years when the biggest age-group is turning 65+ and thus stop working. But at the same time we can't just accept anyone, this is a tricky problem.

Do you think Sweden should do more or is 27 000 enough?

Source: Migrationsverket.se and http://www.sydsvenskan.se/2016-12-25...med-80-procent

The 80% reduction lacks perspective, here are the numbers a few years back:
2009 24,194
2011 31,819
2011 29,648
2012 43,887
2013 54,259
2014 81,301
2015 162,877
In that perspective 27k is more normal.

[Krille]

The 80% reduction lacks perspective, here are the numbers a few years back:
2009 24,194
2011 31,819
2011 29,648
2012 43,887
2013 54,259
2014 81,301
2015 162,877
In that perspective 27k is more normal.

It's still a 80% decrease from last year, which was the whole point.

[Forogil]

Sweden took great measures though. Policing the border and demanding visas which meant that most Afghan youngsters couldnt get into the country. Also the fact that Turkey is (still) acting gatekeeper and preventing many from getting into Europe. So no it's not just because the crisis is "contained".

Not only Turkey - but Eastern European countries and Greece as well; those fences actually stop people.

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It's still a 80% decrease from last year, which was the whole point.

But that year had a 50% gain from the year before - thus I put that number in perspective by providing a base-line for comparison.

[Krille]

Not only Turkey - but Eastern European countries and Greece as well; those fences actually stop people.

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But that year had a 50% gain from the year before - thus I put that number in perspective by providing a base-line for comparison.

But that was not was the thread was about? So what's the point of doing that. The amount of refugees coming to Sweden went down by 80% in 2016. That's a fact.

[Forogil]

But that was not was the thread was about? So what's the point of doing that.

Providing perspective; something that is usually lacking. What is the problem with presenting additional facts relevant to the discussion - instead of cherry-picking statistics?

It is at the same level as 2011 and earlier; that's a fact.

[shrunken]

Refugees from the Middle East have perfectly valid concerns about relocating to another Muslim country. Who can blame them, after the things they've been through?

[Deleted]

Why don't Saudi Arabia and Qatar take in syrian refugees since they were promoting revolution in Syria? i find it funny.

[Thoughtful Trolli]

Any beautiful white women left in Sweden have by now formed their cliques most impenetrable by the woos of even the most charismatic outsiders,

there's no need to encourage more refugees, it will only add to tension. The tank is full, even though somebody said the aging population will cause another set of stressful events a decade from now.

What to steer productivity towards? And how to motivate without threatening "you'll lose your future?"