Russia condemns Netherlands over U.S. military cooperation

[Adolecent]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/russia...150746146.html

MOSCOW (Reuters), - The Russian Foreign Ministry on Wednesday condemned the Netherlands for allowing the United States to advance deploy military hardware on its soil and said a Dutch court ruling that ordered Crimean treasures returned to Ukraine was unfriendly.

"It looks like the Dutch authorities have started to get a taste for deliberately destroying relations with Russia," Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said in a statement.

Zakharova said a Dutch court order that said Crimean museum treasures had to be returned to Ukraine instead of Russia was unjust and would end The Hague's ambitions to become the world's legal capital.

Russia said last week it would appeal a Dutch court ruling that said a priceless collection of gold artifacts from Crimea on loan to a Dutch museum must be returned to Ukraine.

On December 16, US tanks and armor vehicles arrived in the Netherlands to be deployed in a storage depot located in the province of Limburg. The facility, the former Eygelshoven military base near Kerkrade, will be used to keep and maintain tanks, armored vehicles and heavy artillery pieces for a US armored brigade combat team. In January, the US Army in Europe is due to deploy a total of 4,000 American troops and around 2,000 military vehicles on a rotational basis to Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and the Baltic nations. NATO forces will move to the Baltic States in early spring. In an overtly provocative move, an American battalion will be stationed in Poland near the border with Kaliningrad, Russia’s Baltic enclave.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-1...ensions-russia

To put it into perspective: The relation between Russia and NATO member The Netherlands deteriorated to an all-time-low after the killing of +/- 200 Dutch when Russian armed forces, concealed as Ukrainian rebels, shot down flight MH17 in 2014 killing 298 people in total.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/28/eu...17-buk-russia/

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Russian armed forces, concealed as Ukrainian rebels, shot down flight MH17 in 2014 killing 298 people in total.

That's what is known as fake news, propaganda.

[Adolecent]

That's what is known as fake news, propaganda.

Who do you think you are disregarding in a 1-liner the official statement of a country that investigated the occurance fully! Go wash your mouth boy.

http://time.com/4511229/malaysia-air...h-prosecutors/

[Deleted]

Who do you think you are disregarding in a 1-liner the official statement of a country that investigated the occurance fully! Go wash your mouth boy.

You high again, eh? Lay off the weed.

[Adolecent]

How Russia Has Obscured the Facts In the MH17 Investigation
http://time.com/4512834/mh17-russia-...vidence-putin/

It didn’t seem like the type of crime anyone could cover up. There were nearly 300 victims, 80 of them children, whose remains were scattered in fields of sunflowers for villagers and journalists to see.

Thousands of fragments of their passenger jet, a Boeing 777 en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, had fallen across nearly 20 square miles of farmland in eastern Ukraine. Dozens of witnesses had seen the murder weapon, a Russian-made BUK anti-aircraft battery, trundling along the backroads of the warzone where the plane went down. There was plenty of evidence for the investigators to build a case.

On Wednesday, when they presented their arguments in Holland after two years of painstaking investigation, what evidence they had was put on display. The investigative team stated that, “without any doubt,” the BUK missile system had come from Russia. After shooting down the plane on July 17, 2014, the weapon was taken back to Russia the next morning. Not everybody agreed the evidence was so clear cut. Asked to respond to these allegations, a spokesman for Russian President Vladimir Putin offered this curt phrase: “There is nothing to accept or to deny.”

This followed a familiar pattern. Armed with an array of media outlets, the prime suspect in the investigation – the Russian government – has long been able to maintain an element of doubt, at least enough to shift blame, confuse the facts and delay the dispensation of justice. Rather than addressing the evidence of Russian culpability, the Kremlin and its television stations have introduced a variety of alternative theories, many of them self-contradictory and some patently absurd – such as the claim that a Ukrainian fighter jet was trying to shoot down Putin’s plane when it mistakenly hit MH17 in the same airspace.

Among the Russian public, this strategy of obfuscation has been remarkably successful. Two nationwide surveys conducted in Russia by the independent Levada Center polling agency have found that only 2% of Russians believe that the downing of MH17 was the fault of their government or its military proxies in eastern Ukraine. Despite the wealth of evidence to the contrary, the vast majority of respondents in those surveys blamed the Ukrainian authorities. About a fifth of them accused the United States.

It isn’t hard to figure out why. Right after the Dutch-led team of investigators presented their findings on Wednesday, the Russian government’s official paper of record, Rossiyskaya Gazeta, published a lengthy report rehashing the Kremlin’s various accounts of what happened. That report did not even bother to mention the investigation’s key finding: that the missile came from Russia. A report from the Kremlin’s main news network did at least acknowledge the accusation, but its headline suggested what readers should make of it: “Dutch MH17 investigation: Don’t expect any evidence, but the BUK was Russian.”

In reality there were troves of evidence, including intercepted phone calls, photos and videos of the BUK being transported and thousands of boxes of wreckage and shrapnel collected from the crash site. But in the conference hall where these findings were presented, in the Dutch city of Nieuwegein, reporters for Russian state television were on hand to accuse the investigators of bias. One of them, a journalist for state-run Channel One, suggested that Russia had “at least offered to give your team several documents” as evidence, but the investigators did not accept the Russian offers, he said, “because they did not support your scenario.”

One of the lead investigators, Wilbert Paulissen, replied that Russia had not provided any such material, even though his team had visited Moscow and repeatedly requested information from the Russian side. The head of the investigative team, Fred Westerbeke, added that Russia had only provided “partial answers” to some of the team’s questions.

Earlier that day, Westerbeke had the unenviable job of meeting with the families of the victims and explaining to them that, despite the progress in the investigation, they were still a long way from getting justice. “It’s impossible to state when it will be done,” he said. “So this morning I told the grieving relatives that I can’t make any promises.”

The official mandate of the investigation team – which includes officials from the Netherlands, Malaysia, Australia, Ukraine and Belgium – was extended this week until the beginning of 2018. But the investigators acknowledged on Wednesday that they have no idea when the evidence would be sufficient to name the suspects and bring criminal charges. Nor were they able to say what court might hear the case.

In order for them to make a real breakthrough, the investigators would need Russia to cooperate by addressing the evidence that the BUK missile came from Russian territory, and to explain what happened to this weapon once it was returned to Russia. They would also need to question witnesses or suspects in Russia, including military personnel who may have been involved in deploying that missile system to Ukraine.

But there is no sign that Russia is prepared to meet any of those requirements, let alone extradite potential suspects to stand trial in a foreign court. In his response to the investigators on Wednesday, Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov told the BBC: “We cannot accept as a final truth what they say, and I bet you haven’t seen any proofs of their statements.”

Inside Russia, that would be a safe bet, because the vast majority of Russians get their information from the Kremlin’s media outlets. In order to maintain their cover up of this tragedy, it turns out Russia does not need to hide the facts of the case or the clues that were scattered in those fields of wheat and sunflowers in eastern Ukraine. It only needs to cloud the debate with alternative truths of its own invention.

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You high again, eh? Lay off the weed.

Is that all you can come up with? Insults and no proof supporting your 1-liner argument?

/shoo

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Is that all you can come up with? Insults and no proof supporting your 1-liner argument?

Anything more would be a waste of time, no one takes your propaganda serious anyway.

[zorkuus]

Anything more would be a waste of time, no one takes your propaganda serious anyway.

I don't think you have anything more.

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I wouldn't trust any investigation conducted by biased countries. Nato countries are biased because they started all Ukrainian mess and have strong hard on for Russia. They even invited Ukraine to be part of investigation. Who the hell invites one of suspects to investigate themselves, unless purpose of investigation was to pin the blame on other side regardless of actual evidence?

As for Crimean treasures returning to Ukraine, it should be illegal. They were never Ukrainian to begin with. They were always in Crimea, which was part of USSR, where Ukrainians never lived. But, same as with flight investigation, wouldn't expect any unbiased ruling in Nato country when it comes to anything related to Crimea.

[caervek]

and said a Dutch court ruling that ordered Crimean treasures returned to Ukraine was unfriendly.

I'm confused, surely the treasures of Crimea belong to Crimea regardless of which country it is in at any given time :S

It's not like Ukraine offered to send all of Crimea's treasures to Russia back when they took it over from them is it.

[Deleted]

Ain't Trump and Putin friends? This kind of news makes no sense anymore in the age of "detect fake news!"

All reason is taken here - unworthy topic.

[caervek]

Russian armed forces, concealed as Ukrainian rebels, shot down flight MH17 in 2014 killing 298 people in total.

Fake news is fake, no bonus points for obviousness lol.

[NED funded]

Putinistas never fail to amuse me.

[JohnBrown1917]

Maybe they should apologize for Mh17 first.

Ain't Trump and Putin friends? This kind of news makes no sense anymore in the age of "detect fake news!"

All reason is taken here - unworthy topic.

Obama is still in office.

[Adolecent]

I'm confused, surely the treasures of Crimea belong to Crimea regardless of which country it is in at any given time :S

It's not like Ukraine offered to send all of Crimea's treasures to Russia back when they took it over from them is it.

The court ruled that the treasure belonged to the Ukrainian government and not to the museum in the Crimea.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/14/ar...rdam.html?_r=0

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Maybe they should apologize for Mh17 first.


Obama is still in office.

And when Tump becomes president we in the EU will still be fighting Russia of our borders.

[Gimlix]

You high again, eh? Lay off the weed.

What a retarded thing to say.

[Mehrunes]

Maybe they should apologize for Mh17 first.

But... but muh fake news...

[Deleted]

Putinistas never fail to amuse me.

The right term would be probably "Duginists"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Dugin

And the name of the idology would be "National Bolshevism".

[zEmini]

Anything more would be a waste of time, no one takes your propaganda serious anyway.

Wow, you just epically lost the argument.

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Wow, you just epically lost the argument.

Says the one who's on the ignore lists of nearly everyone on this forum. Ha! I always win.

[Independent voter]

Russia meddling in the affairs of other countries again, next they'll be hacking elections in the Netherlands.